Danny, thank you for taking the time to post this long post as the book of Judges does not say anything about Samson not cutting his hair. Danny, what is the purpose of a razor going to ones head unless you were going to shave it? I apologize if the King Jimmy bible isn't good enough for you, but it works for me. If I am shaved, then my strength will leave.
It's to bad you chose not to read ... please realize that languages have there own nuances distinct to culture, region, etc ... the word mowar, used in Numbers, is in the sense of shearing ... that's the word used by Moses ... you stay w/ your KJV and backwoods theology... I'll dig deeper. Lastly ... I'll reiterate ... they were taught not even to comb their hair for fear of breaking the vow.
Samson was a nazarite from what I understand. A jewish boy will have his head shaved at his Bar-mizvah when he turns 13. A Nazarite would not shave his head if he had a nazarite vow. The story of Samson was that he was not to have a razor to his head, not that he wasn't allowed to cut his hair with shears, there is a difference between allowing a razor to come to your hair, and allowing shears (or scissors) to come to your hair. I hope this helps. see Judges 13:5 It says razor, not shears according to the custom of the Jewish Nazarite vow.
Just came upon this post and had to chuckle.
You are using the same argument about Samson possibly having his hair cut that I do for women not being told they cannot cut theirs.
Consider the same language and wording you have above that is also used in 1 Cor 11. There is not a single verse that says women cannot cut their hair, only that (the implication is) she shouldn't have her HEAD shorn or shaven.
There is no scripture that says a woman cannot take shears to her hair, but it would be difficult getting shorn or shaven without a razor being involved.
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Samson was a nazarite from what I understand. A jewish boy will have his head shaved at his Bar-mizvah when he turns 13. A Nazarite would not shave his head if he had a nazarite vow. The story of Samson was that he was not to have a razor to his head, not that he wasn't allowed to cut his hair with shears, there is a difference between allowing a razor to come to your hair, and allowing shears (or scissors) to come to your hair. I hope this helps. see Judges 13:5 It says razor, not shears according to the custom of the Jewish Nazarite vow.
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
Just came upon this post and had to chuckle.
You are using the same argument about Samson possibly having his hair cut that I do for women not being told they cannot cut theirs.
Consider the same language and wording you have above that is also used in 1 Cor 11. There is not a single verse that says women cannot cut their hair, only that (the implication is) she shouldn't have her HEAD shorn or shaven.
There is no scripture that says a woman cannot take shears to her hair, but it would be difficult getting shorn or shaven without a razor being involved.
Hey, if Paul really meant 'cut', he would have just said so. The fact that he used 'shorn or shaven' indicates the same basic look and that women shouldn't have it, if it be a shame.
Samson's hair was long enough to tie together with bands, but it wasn't 'long' cause that would be a shame!
I agree with Eastman. Samson was able to cut his hair even close, as long as he used shears and not a razor. It was the razor that was prohibited!
*insert pot-stirring smiley here*
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Interesting response. So, would you propose that 1 Cor 11 is something NEW in God's Word to the church alone, and only since the church came into being?
In my opinion, the Apostle Paul was addressing a local issue in 1 Cor. 11.
I do not believe he was teaching that it was wrong for a woman to trim, cut, or alter the length of her hair in any manner. In my opinion, he was teaching that women should be veiled because of local social mores.
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In my opinion, the Apostle Paul was addressing a local issue in 1 Cor. 11.
I do not believe he was teaching that it was wrong for a woman to trim, cut, or alter the length of her hair in any manner. In my opinion, he was teaching that women should be veiled because of local social mores.
I agree it was about a veil, and hair was only used as an object lesson from nature.
I agree it was about a veil, and hair was only used as an object lesson from nature.
What do you believe about verse 16?
This is the way I understand it as well.
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Hey, if Paul really meant 'cut', he would have just said so. The fact that he used 'shorn or shaven' indicates the same basic look and that women shouldn't have it, if it be a shame.
Samson's hair was long enough to tie together with bands, but it wasn't 'long' cause that would be a shame!
I agree with Eastman. Samson was able to cut his hair even close, as long as he used shears and not a razor. It was the razor that was prohibited!
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