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Old 08-12-2016, 09:51 AM
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This is way too deep for anyone who lives in Texas. YOU...... HAVE...... TO........ SPEAK........ REALLY........SLOW......... FOR ..........TEXANS...........
oh my heck. this reminds me of the time I was stranded in Utah. the locals spoke slow... it's like they hit the space bar a f t e r e a c h l e t t e r and three times after each word.
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oh my heck. this reminds me of the time I was stranded in Utah. the locals spoke slow... it's like they hit the space bar a f t e r e a c h l e t t e r and three times after each word.
You being stranded in Utah was probably the best time of your life.....

Just admit it......

C'mon......

Say it real slow.......

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I refuse to add any more gossip to the thread.
Probably said too much, already.
Let's just say that the message was founded in the Bible.
A lot I could say about why some would find fault, but I will try to hold my tongue/fingers...
Lots of guys who were there said it was great.

I am trying to get the message on cd or mp3, waiting on my source.
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Elder Alvear preached solid Apostolic doctrine. I don't know the brother who preached last night the jury is out on what he preached? Going to have to think about it some more but as of now........
So's I ask the Brother I know who went to the service if the message was supported, did people shout......?

He tells me about this short preacher on the platform who was shouting his coattails into the air!

Sound awful like someone here on this forum........

So's if a man is shouting during the preaching does that mean he agrees with what was preached? Does it mean he liked the anointing that he felt? What does it mean?

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"...represents an attitude which has swept across Christian networks. Since the decree, reports have been slowly percolating into the media which denote a concerted and sustained effort to convert incoming Muslim refugees.

State Coercion for Conversion?"

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I refuse to add any more gossip to the thread.
Probably said too much, already.
Let's just say that the message was founded in the Bible.
A lot I could say about why some would find fault, but I will try to hold my tongue/fingers...
So... we don't get to find out what was preached or by whom? It's all a big secret? If a message was Biblical why wouldn't people want it to be spread?
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Here's what I found about 'universal dominion'.

http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/mci..._of_christ.htm

"Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.

I. THE UNIVERSAL DOMINION OF CHRIST HERE ASSERTED — "All power," etc. The word "power" in our language is ambiguous. Sometimes it signifies ability or capacity, and sometimes rightful authority. In both these senses it is true of Christ; He has both the ability to act and the authority to warrant His acting.

1. That as a Divine Person the Saviour has all power inherent in Himself.

2. In virtue of office, the power here spoken of is delegated to Christ — "All power is given," etc.

3. This power and authority extend to universal nature.

4. This power is deposited in Christ as the Head of the Church, and to be exercised for her benefit.

5. This power is to be exercised in the destruction of all who do not submit to it.

II. THE COMMISSION GIVEN BY CHRIST TO HIS MINISTERS IN VIRTUE OF THAT POWER WITH WHICH HE IS INVESTED.

1. That it is only to those who are called by God, and qualified for His service, that this commission is given.

2. This commission extends to all nations as regards the persons to be benefited by it.

3. It embraces all that the Saviour has made known in His word.

III. To CONSIDER THE ENCOURAGEMENTS AFFORDED TO THE AMBASSADORS OF CHRIST IN THE DISCHARGE OF THEIR DUTY.

1. Christ is with His Church and people always; not His essential but gracious presence.

2. A particular call to notice this truth, "I am with you always." How highly is Jesus exalted.

(R. McIndoe.)"


http://www.lcoggt.org/Riggle/ch27.htm

"The Saints Will Have Universal Dominion.

The final triumph of Christianity over all other religions and faiths is assured in the Word of God. In Daniel 2 we read of a “stone cut out without hands.” This refers chiefly to the church or kingdom of God—Christianity. It did not come by human hands. Being divine, it came from heaven. It is of a spiritual nature; hence no worldly policy, human doctrine, nor military force was employed in its establishment. “Not by might nor power, but by the Spirit of the Lord of hosts.” This stone smote the image and broke it to pieces. As observed in a previous chapter, the great image represented four heathen kingdoms that reigned in succession in ancient times. These were the Babylonian, the Medo-Persian, the Grecian, and the Roman. It was the Roman which held the dominion when Christ appeared to set up the everlasting kingdom of heaven. At the time when this heathen government, partaking of all the characteristics of the preceding empire, was at its zenith of imperial splendor, military glory, legislative authority, and literary eminence, Christianity smote it at its very foundation, or principles of support, and by destroying these brought the whole to ruin. This stone began to smite the image when the apostles went out into every part of the Roman empire, pulling down idolatry and founding Christian churches. Soon the saving gospel spread to every quarter. Pagans were converted by the thousands. In A. D. 331, by an edict of the emperor himself, all the heathen temples were ordered destroyed, and Christianity became the religion of the empire. In the very territory where paganism held full sway during the dominion of the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian, and Roman empires, Christianity was now the universal religion. You see that many of the distinguishing marks and principles of all the preceding empires remained in, and were compacted with, the Roman government, not only as to their territorial possession, but also as to their distinctive characteristics. Thus when Christianity struck at the roots of pagan Rome, not only the iron and clay, but also the brass, the silver, and the gold, representing the former pagan systems and governments, “were broken to pieces together.” Christianity triumphed, and the pagan systems fell.
But mark well the fact that at the very time when Christianity crushed the image and broke it in pieces, it was only “a stone.” That was the blessed morning-light age of the church. Christianity at this time was represented by a stone, and yet that stone filled the Roman empire, or the then-known world; but it was foreseen that this stone which smote the image became a “great mountain and filled the whole earth” (Daniel 2:34). This shows that the work of Christianity was to be progressive. Beginning small, it was to continue to enlarge and expand. Not only would the Roman empire and a few countries clustering around the Mediterranean Sea be brought under the influence of the gospel, but the kingdom—the church of Christ—would enlarge from a stone into a mountain, yea, “a great mountain, and fill the whole earth.” Wherever it goes, it breaks in pieces, consumes, and destroys idolatry out of the hearts of man.
What was done in the morning-light age of the church throughout the Roman empire is what will be accomplished in the evening light throughout the whole earth. No law or principle in Christianity is directed against the political code of any country, but against the sin and idolatry therein. False religions and corrupt systems of so-called Christianity must give way to pure Christianity revealed in the whole gospel now being preached. That which in primitive times spread out and filled the Roman empire shall in these last days spread from sea to sea and fill the whole earth with its influence. By this I mean that those countries which have not as yet felt the powerful influence of Christianity will yet feel it; for “the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”
Since the pure and redeemed church of God in this evening time is destined to spread over all the earth, it follows that God’s saints will have the dominion. Not that the temporal governments will be given into their hands, for the reign and kingdom of God is “not of this world.” It is of a spiritual nature. The idea is that in the very nations where paganism and apostate Christianity rule and govern, there pure Christianity will yet wield a mighty influence; and since this triumphant reign is the enjoyment of the saints, who will be distributed in every corner of the earth, theirs is a universal dominion. “He that overcometh and keepeth my words unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations; and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to pieces.” Revelation 2:26, 27. The reign of Christ is a spiritual reign, and his kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. He reigns in the hearts of his people.
But his dominion shall be to the ends of the earth. “The uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession”; that is, his truth and kingdom will spread to the uttermost parts of the earth and through its conquering influence will affect every nation. Thus Christianity will become the universal religion of earth. All other religions are of a local nature and apply only to certain nations and peoples, but pure Christianity will apply to all nations, and the prophet said that “all nations shall flow into it.” The universality of Christianity in the earth at the time when Christ comes again, its final and glorious triumph, is clearly seen in many scriptures."
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Here's what I found about 'universal dominion'.

http://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/mci..._of_christ.htm

"Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.

I. THE UNIVERSAL DOMINION OF CHRIST HERE ASSERTED — "All power," etc. The word "power" in our language is ambiguous. Sometimes it signifies ability or capacity, and sometimes rightful authority. In both these senses it is true of Christ; He has both the ability to act and the authority to warrant His acting.

1. That as a Divine Person the Saviour has all power inherent in Himself.

2. In virtue of office, the power here spoken of is delegated to Christ — "All power is given," etc.

3. This power and authority extend to universal nature.

4. This power is deposited in Christ as the Head of the Church, and to be exercised for her benefit.

5. This power is to be exercised in the destruction of all who do not submit to it.

II. THE COMMISSION GIVEN BY CHRIST TO HIS MINISTERS IN VIRTUE OF THAT POWER WITH WHICH HE IS INVESTED.

1. That it is only to those who are called by God, and qualified for His service, that this commission is given.

2. This commission extends to all nations as regards the persons to be benefited by it.

3. It embraces all that the Saviour has made known in His word.

III. To CONSIDER THE ENCOURAGEMENTS AFFORDED TO THE AMBASSADORS OF CHRIST IN THE DISCHARGE OF THEIR DUTY.

1. Christ is with His Church and people always; not His essential but gracious presence.

2. A particular call to notice this truth, "I am with you always." How highly is Jesus exalted.

(R. McIndoe.)"
God is in control! I like the sound of that.


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http://www.lcoggt.org/Riggle/ch27.htm

"The Saints Will Have Universal Dominion.

The final triumph of Christianity over all other religions and faiths is assured in the Word of God. In Daniel 2 we read of a “stone cut out without hands.” This refers chiefly to the church or kingdom of God—Christianity. It did not come by human hands. Being divine, it came from heaven. It is of a spiritual nature; hence no worldly policy, human doctrine, nor military force was employed in its establishment. “Not by might nor power, but by the Spirit of the Lord of hosts.” This stone smote the image and broke it to pieces. As observed in a previous chapter, the great image represented four heathen kingdoms that reigned in succession in ancient times. These were the Babylonian, the Medo-Persian, the Grecian, and the Roman. It was the Roman which held the dominion when Christ appeared to set up the everlasting kingdom of heaven. At the time when this heathen government, partaking of all the characteristics of the preceding empire, was at its zenith of imperial splendor, military glory, legislative authority, and literary eminence, Christianity smote it at its very foundation, or principles of support, and by destroying these brought the whole to ruin. This stone began to smite the image when the apostles went out into every part of the Roman empire, pulling down idolatry and founding Christian churches. Soon the saving gospel spread to every quarter. Pagans were converted by the thousands. In A. D. 331, by an edict of the emperor himself, all the heathen temples were ordered destroyed, and Christianity became the religion of the empire. In the very territory where paganism held full sway during the dominion of the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian, and Roman empires, Christianity was now the universal religion. You see that many of the distinguishing marks and principles of all the preceding empires remained in, and were compacted with, the Roman government, not only as to their territorial possession, but also as to their distinctive characteristics. Thus when Christianity struck at the roots of pagan Rome, not only the iron and clay, but also the brass, the silver, and the gold, representing the former pagan systems and governments, “were broken to pieces together.” Christianity triumphed, and the pagan systems fell.
But mark well the fact that at the very time when Christianity crushed the image and broke it in pieces, it was only “a stone.” That was the blessed morning-light age of the church. Christianity at this time was represented by a stone, and yet that stone filled the Roman empire, or the then-known world; but it was foreseen that this stone which smote the image became a “great mountain and filled the whole earth” (Daniel 2:34). This shows that the work of Christianity was to be progressive. Beginning small, it was to continue to enlarge and expand. Not only would the Roman empire and a few countries clustering around the Mediterranean Sea be brought under the influence of the gospel, but the kingdom—the church of Christ—would enlarge from a stone into a mountain, yea, “a great mountain, and fill the whole earth.” Wherever it goes, it breaks in pieces, consumes, and destroys idolatry out of the hearts of man.
What was done in the morning-light age of the church throughout the Roman empire is what will be accomplished in the evening light throughout the whole earth. No law or principle in Christianity is directed against the political code of any country, but against the sin and idolatry therein. False religions and corrupt systems of so-called Christianity must give way to pure Christianity revealed in the whole gospel now being preached. That which in primitive times spread out and filled the Roman empire shall in these last days spread from sea to sea and fill the whole earth with its influence. By this I mean that those countries which have not as yet felt the powerful influence of Christianity will yet feel it; for “the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.”
Since the pure and redeemed church of God in this evening time is destined to spread over all the earth, it follows that God’s saints will have the dominion. Not that the temporal governments will be given into their hands, for the reign and kingdom of God is “not of this world.” It is of a spiritual nature. The idea is that in the very nations where paganism and apostate Christianity rule and govern, there pure Christianity will yet wield a mighty influence; and since this triumphant reign is the enjoyment of the saints, who will be distributed in every corner of the earth, theirs is a universal dominion. “He that overcometh and keepeth my words unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations; and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to pieces.” Revelation 2:26, 27. The reign of Christ is a spiritual reign, and his kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. He reigns in the hearts of his people.
But his dominion shall be to the ends of the earth. “The uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession”; that is, his truth and kingdom will spread to the uttermost parts of the earth and through its conquering influence will affect every nation. Thus Christianity will become the universal religion of earth. All other religions are of a local nature and apply only to certain nations and peoples, but pure Christianity will apply to all nations, and the prophet said that “all nations shall flow into it.” The universality of Christianity in the earth at the time when Christ comes again, its final and glorious triumph, is clearly seen in many scriptures."
I don't believe in the part in bold, but I fail to see any heresy in it. Again, God is in control.

I'd like to hear the full message to know exactly what the minister was saying.
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I'd like to hear the full message to know exactly what the minister was saying.
I think we have to pay $$? Pay-per-listen?

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So... we don't get to find out what was preached or by whom? It's all a big secret? If a message was Biblical why wouldn't people want it to be spread?
The name of the minister who preached is Rashidi Collins, Tampa Fl.

The message, I am told, was "Universal Dominion".
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