It will take force of arms to remain free.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Official law enforcement here in Utah has a great percentage of Mormons. The 3%er’s and Proud Boys also have quite a bit of Mormons as well. But the majority is non LDS.

The FBI contacted them to use them, not because there in trouble. I can’t say everything, yet I’m telling you things are getting pretty interesting around here.

White Horse Prophecy. It's a long time LDS belief, technically not really acknowledged publicly by the officials of the church, but believed in by LOTS of Mormons and especially the various splinter groups.

LaVoy Finicum and the Bundy's were/are Mormons. In fact I believe the Bundy's are part of an LDS splinter group.

I had a neighbour years ago who was a federal criminal investigator down in Houston (not FBI, but a different alphabet soup gang I had never heard of, associated with DIA, DOD, and Air Force). He was Mormon. Said in his estimation about 85% of all federal law enforcement supervisors and field agents were Mormons. Said Uncle Sam has specific Mormon recruitment programs. Desk jockeys and pencil pushers not involved.

So, yeah. Interesting.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Does anyone have any clue where to buy ammo in bulk right now????? It's nearly impossible to get more than one box.

A little late to the party, I see.

Try www.ammoseek.com it will give you possible sources if any are to be found.

[Esaias]

Politics is unavoidable. Christ is incompatible with godless heathen antichrist politics. Christ is eminently compatible with Biblical Christian politics.

It's not "Christ or politics". It's Christ's politics or man's politics. We will have one or the other.

There is no such thing as neutrality in Christianity. (That's why antichrists HATE Bible Christianity...)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Politics is unavoidable. Christ is incompatible with godless heathen antichrist politics. Christ is eminently compatible with Biblical Christian politics.

It's not "Christ or politics". It's Christ's politics or man's politics. We will have one or the other.

There is no such thing as neutrality in Christianity. (That's why antichrists HATE Bible Christianity...)

Remember when you posted those pages of Christian government?
Could you repost them here?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Remember when you posted those pages of Christian government?
Could you repost them here?

I'll see if I can find them. I'm guessing that was that huge epic sized thread with Aquila the Bernout back in the way back when?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'll see if I can find them. I'm guessing that was that huge epic sized thread with Aquila the Bernout back in the way back when?

Was it something like this?

Originally Posted by Esaias

So, how does all this work out, in the real world?

1. Christians must be conformed to the Word. They must structure, "reconstruct" if you will, their lives to be in accordance with and harmonise with the Word of God, in all areas. They must not only make the Bible the rule for their lifestyle and living, but must also teach their children to do so as well. The goal is to produce a godly family, a family that lives out the Bible. The family "rule book" is the Bible, and Lord willing and the parent's do their job, the children when grown will likewise instruct their families similarly.

2. Churches must be conformed to the Word. They must promote and support families in their endeavors to submit to and be guided by the Word. They must teach it and preach it, and model it in their own sphere. The church must determine things by the Word, rather than by committee vote or popularity contests or one individual's opinion of things. Pastors must determine that THEY aren't in charge, rather God's Word is in charge. And this theonomic worldview must be taught to all the members of the Body, especially new converts. The church has to enjoin Biblical church discipline, handling things the way the Bible lays it out. Preach the Bible, live the Bible, teach the Bible.

3. Christians must understand there is a conflict between God's Kingdom and the secular world. And that God's Kingdom is advancing and is destined for victory. Victory is inevitable. Theonomy is inevitable. That's the attitude we must take when confronted with the world's nonsense. The Kingdom is advanced primarily through spiritual warfare, which as other threads have shown involves the teaching of the WORD. So then Christians individually, and as families, and as communities (churches) must TEACH THE WORLD AROUND THEM what God's Word says about any and all topics. And must demonstrate that they themselves are living the Word, so the world will see that it is not only possible, but actually happening. We must stand for God's Word. A perfect example is the issue of gay marriage. Too often we take the approach that "gay marriage is bad for society" and then give a bunch of reasons. But how many take the bold public position that neither the Supreme Court, nor Congress, nor any state has any LAWFUL AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER to legalise what GOD ALMIGHTY HAS OUTLAWED? We should oppose gay marriage not because of any humanistic or popular "conservative" reasons, but because God has already legislated on the subject! Taking this approach will guarantee that the battle lines are CLEARLY and unmistakably drawn right where they actually are. It will help everyone, on all sides of the issue, to clear the air and get down to brass tacks about what's actually going on in this world.

4. Christians need to understand how demographics actually work. To put it bluntly, you need big families that are thoroughly indoctrinated in the Word of God. Practically ALL of satan's minions currently flushing society down the drain simply do not reproduce. Gays and lesbians? They don't produce children. Liberals? Most "conservatives"? They don't either. They are all below replacement rates. Meaning they are all literally breeding themselves out of existence. Hence, the incessant push for more and more and unlimited immigration. But if Christian families expand, and each pair of parents has at least four children, then by sheer demographics victory is ultimately assured:

Psalms 127:3-5 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. (4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. (5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.

Here it is in three simple verses, a Divine program for victory. Have lots of children, they are like weapons that advance the cause of victory, those who have lots of children will contend with the enemies in the gates (the halls of power).

A theonomic reconstruction of the family requires abandoning the unscriptural and self-defeating, nihilistic individualism that has plagued most of society (including the church) for practically a century. It means thinking in terms of not yourself, but your entire family, as a unit.

Proverbs 13:22 A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.

We should not be spending our life's efforts on getting that RV so we can tour the country in our old age, we should be laying up an inheritance for not only our children but our GRANDCHILDREN. Build your family's power, both spiritually and materially (financially). Your family should become, in time, something to be reckoned with, something that is not at the mercy of the winds of change agents, but something that gets stuff done for God:

Deuteronomy 8:18 But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.

God not only makes his covenant available to us, but He wants to "establish" that covenant, and part of how He does that is by granting to His people whatever is needed to enable them to literally replace whatever is opposed to His Kingdom and covenant.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Was it something like this?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'll see if I can find them. I'm guessing that was that huge epic sized thread with Aquila the Bernout back in the way back when?

Yes

[Esaias]

Or was it this one?

Originally Posted by Esaias

Again, the Bible nowhere promises that unregenerate man will or can govern himself with perfect righteousness. Thus, the very need for law and government (otherwise you'd have total criminal anarchy). So the question then is, "What kind of government shall we have, what Law will we follow? Law invented by corrupt men, or Law delivered by God Himself?" For we will have Law of one kind or the other, that is certain.

Let's suppose society went theonomic. This of course presupposes that at least a large portion of society was voluntarily seeking to live according to Biblical law. Would there be unjust men who get into positions of power? That is entirely possible.

Consider the church. The church is supposed to be governed by the Word, is it not? Can unjust men get into positions of authority in the church? Obviously, the answer is "Yes, it is possible". So then should we say that because of that, the church should just avoid the Bible as its charter, and let's allow men to just make up the rules as they see fit?

The church's role is, among other things, to inform people of the Will of God. Therefore, in a theonomic society, if rulers depart from the Word, violate the Word, or administer law unjustly, it is the church's job to loudly and effectually proclaim the Truth of God. Now, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing anyway?

So, would you prefer to live in a society whose law system is based on the Bible? Or whose law system is based on some antichrist philosophy?

People think a theonomy would mean the Presbyterians would be burning apostolics at the stake. And since nobody in America (presently) has lived with real genuine persecution, we think this "democracy" we have is what guarantees our freedom from persecution. But the only reason America was a haven against persecution was because America was majority Christian (professing Christian). The last several decades have seen a shift in that area. America is no longer a majority Christian nation. America is a thoroughly humanist nation. And what do we see? We see the beginnings of persecution. Christian bakers being drug through the legal system for refusing to promote perversion. And so forth. This is just the beginning. Yet our political system hasn't changed. the political system we have in place ALLOWS for such things.

If the US "supreme law of the land" was the Bible, that baker never would have got sued, gay marriage wouldn't ever be on the ballot, trannies wouldn't have any chance at getting the bathrooms all mixed up, there wouldn't be perv-ed education in your schools, there wouldn't be a prison industrial complex, and a lot of other things.

As it is, because we have a humanist society with a humanist law system, we will eventually have persecution. It's just a matter of time. And they will use "muh consteetooshun" to support it, you watch. They already use our political system to promote perversion, abortion, and silencing Christians in the public sphere. How is this better than theonomy?

"Oh, but under a theonomy, persecution is guaranteed." Really? EVERY INSTANCE OF PERSECUTION against Christians was committed under non theonomic societies. The Inquisition? The catholic church most explicitly denies "sola scriptura" and claims Church Magisterium as the supreme law. That is anything BUT theonomy.

The problem is, people have been taught that "politics is over here, and Jesus and going to heaven is over there", and "never the twain should mix." Now, who would come up with such an idea? Why, anyone who wanted to rule over men that's who. Because the Word of God brings freedom. Someone once said "It is impossible to enslave a Bible believing people."

There's a reason the enemies of all things good and decent want to make sure Christianity is marginalised. the very reason given for outlawing the Ten Commandments from public schools was "If they are posted and read, they might be believed. And if they are believed, they will be followed." In other words, the reason you have "separation of church and state" and no Ten Commandments and no (Christian) prayer in public schools is because the humanists are afraid people might start obeying God. That's what they are against, ultimately.

But as I said, none of this is even remotely feasible, until Christians start getting serious about preaching and teaching that God actually expects obedience. We've got to quit making "religion" some kind of private personal affair that only really matters on your deathbed, and get back to the reality - this Gospel is the Way, Truth, and LIFE.

Unfortunately, way too many have bought into a defeatist mentality that all we can do is pine away about how bad things are but hope to make the rapture. We need to jettison that heretical nonsense and understand, we are in the business of promoting the KINGDOM. A real, bona fide, KINGDOM. Not of this world system, it's not humanism, it's not vain human philosophy, it's Divinely Ordained and empowered by the Spirit of God.

If you look closely at the Book of Acts, and early church history, you'll find the apostolic church was literally a Holy Ghost subversion of corrupt society. There was no violent revolution needed, or force of arms, people were converted to Christ and began to follow Him, and as they spread they "turned the world upside down".

Let's get ready to turn the world upside down.

[Esaias]

Or was it this one?

Originally Posted by Esaias

Eph_3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

That is theonomy and the church's relation to it right there.

One of the primary purposes of the ekklesia of God (a governmental term, by he way - ekklesia) is to teach the 'powers' (exousias, the AUTHORITIES in 'heavenly places') the manifold wisdom of God. The wisdom of God is known via His Word.

In other words, the church of God is responsible for teaching the Will of God to the powers that be. Why? So they can fulfill this:

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

The purpose of civil government is to enforce the law of God in the punishment of evil.

Jesus said this:

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The Great Commission, the Mandate of the Church, is to teach ALL NATIONS that Jesus Christ has been given ALL authority both in heaven AND IN EARTH, and that ALL NATIONS are to begin obeying all of His Commandments.

What some call 'theonomy' is what is more generally known as 'the gospel'. See this:

Mat_24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Good news of what? Good news of the KINGDOM. A Kingdom is nothing less than a bona fide GOVERNMENT. What Government does not have a law? All government has law, otherwise it is no government. A kingdom is a government (and a law) headed by a king.

Jesus Christ is a king. A genuine king, just as surely as the old woman in London is a queen, even more so. He is the King of Israel, Son of David, indeed Son of GOD, indeed GOD HIMSELF, and thus King of the Universe.

To become a Christian is to submit to His claims and His authority, to become a CITIZEN of His Kingdom. EVERY citizen is bound by obligation to be loyal to the LAW and GOVERNMENT of their kingdom/nation. Thus, all Christians are expected to be loyal to the Law and Government of God's Kingdom.

So then for a Christian to suggest that God's Law as revealed in the Holy Bible, as understood an interpreted by Jesus Christ and His apostles, is somehow inferior or is something to be avoided or rejected, is nothing less than treason, is it not? Yes, for treason is adhering to the ENEMIES of one's nation, and God has declared that all the nations of the world are under sin (criminal tresspass and rebellion) and that makes them ENEMIES.

Jas_4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.