Sabbath and bible feasts

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Go ahead and worship Santa, Easter Bunny, and night of the living dead.

I'll stick with God's calendar.

Okaaaaay

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Still waiting

For what? Uber?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

You didn’t answer my question. Do you believe the law of God is just the Ten Commandments or all of Moses commands?

How many questions of mine have you not answered? I answered this question already, several times. But as usual, you weren't paying attention.

[loran adkins]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

You didn’t answer my question. Do you believe the law of God is just the Ten Commandments or all of Moses commands?

Originally Posted by good samaritan

“Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but obeying God's commandments is everything. - 1 Cor 7:19 (ISV).”

Leviticus 12:1-3
1......And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2......Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
3......And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

If you believe we must keep the whole law (Entire law given to Moses), then we have some major contradictions being taught by the apostles.

You believe circumcision is of the heart, and no longer must be literally applied?

Why is it so far fetched to apply that logic to the Sabbaths and feast days, when the apostles obviously say to.

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Still waiting

Originally Posted by Esaias

For what? Uber?

For you to answer Good Samaritan a simple yes or no answer to these questions.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by loran adkins

Still waiting

You were "still waiting" for literally 14 hours? Where do you think you are, CARM?

lol

[Esaias]

Does anyone else want to address the circumcision of the heart issue? Anyone else think that proves some kind of contradiction? Good Samaritan has been steadfast in ignoring numerous points, so I am not answering any more questions from him in this or the other Sabbath thread. And Loran has followed suit for the most part, so...

But is anyone else reading and folliwing along, and been wondering "But what about that circumcision issue?"

Protip: IT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED in the other thread...

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Does anyone else want to address the circumcision of the heart issue? Anyone else think that proves some kind of contradiction? Good Samaritan has been steadfast in ignoring numerous points, so I am not answering any more questions from him in this or the other Sabbath thread. And Loran has followed suit for the most part, so...

But is anyone else reading and folliwing along, and been wondering "But what about that circumcision issue?"

Protip: IT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED in the other thread...

Post #67
The Bible does not REQUIRE GENTILES TO BE CIRCUMCISED, neither the law of Moses nor the Gospel require the circumcision of gentiles. Yes, if they wanted to eat the passover, but other than that? NO.

This is something I dug up from your posts on the other thread. I don’t get your logic. Circumcision must take place for Jews and Gentiles alike, but it is circumcision of the heart. I have struggled to follow because there are too many inconsistencies. If circumcision can be spiritually applied, Sabbath keeping can as well. You are picking and choosing what is Spiritually fulfilled the same as everyone else.

[good samaritan]

Galatians 5:1-4
1......Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2......Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3......For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4......Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Is Paul calling circumcision solely the yoke of bondage, or is he referencing everything associated with circumcision in the law? Essentially Paul is saying if circumcision is mandated then you will be required to do everything else contained in the law. If you are under law you are fallen from grace.

Mosaic law is to our demise in the NT church.

Genesis 34:22-25
Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised. Shall not their cattle and their substance and every beast of theirs be ours? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us. And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.

This a good example of the laws yoke of bondage. The law in this passage was weaponized to destroy people, it is still being used to cast a stumbling block before people. Many people pride themselves on their extreme dedication to Gods word, but fail to realize that we are all saved by Gods grace. The law written in our hearts is not an exact replica of Moses commands for the people of Israel, but it is the love at the core of the written law. The written law can be manipulated and misapplied to suit a persons individual preferences, but the law in our heart is Spirit and truth.

Galatians 5:19-21
19......Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20......Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21......Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

These are the things that are in violation to the law written on our hearts. Note there is not anything about failure to observe a Sabbath here, nor anywhere else in the NT. The only NT Failure to keep the Sabbath is the failure to enter God’s rest. Hint, It is not talking about a day.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

This is something I dug up from your posts on the other thread. I don’t get your logic. Circumcision must take place for Jews and Gentiles alike, but it is circumcision of the heart. I have struggled to follow because there are too many inconsistencies. If circumcision can be spiritually applied, Sabbath keeping can as well. You are picking and choosing what is Spiritually fulfilled the same as everyone else.

You are having trouble following because you aren't consistent in your own reasoning. There is no inconsistency in what I presented. I am not picking and choosing anything. You keep making these types of assertions but do not back them up with any kind of reasoning.

How do you not get my logic? Have you studied what the Bible actually says about circumcision? If you did then you would not have any problems understanding what I am saying. According to the law, Gentiles were never required to be circumcised, except in the case of eating the Passover. If they wanted to eat the Passover, then yes they had to be circumcised. Otherwise, no, they did not.

What about circumcision of the heart? Did you realise that is not a new testament concept? That it is as old as Sinai? If you understood that, then you would understand why Paul talks about the circumcision of the heart, and what it means.

Circumcision was not "replaced" by a "spiritual circumcision" in the sense you keep trying to suggest, as somehow similar to your imagined replacement of the Fourth Commandment with some "spiritual Sabbath".

And ONCE AGAIN, what does circumcision of the heart look like? How does it manifest in the life of the believer? Whether Jew or Gentile?

Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(Rom 2:26-29)

What is all this talking about? Why, he already stated what it was:

For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
(Rom 2:25)

And again:

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
(Rom 2:13-15)

Do you not see it? Heart circumcision produces obedience to the very things contained in the law (for example, obedience to the Fourth Commandment, among others). The idea that you can be circumcised in heart and have the law of God written in the heart and yet you can simultaneously be transgressing the very commandments of God with impunity is ridiculous and erroneous.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Galatians 5:19-21
19......Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20......Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21......Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

These are the things that are in violation to the law written on our hearts. Note there is not anything about failure to observe a Sabbath here, nor anywhere else in the NT. The only NT Failure to keep the Sabbath is the failure to enter God’s rest. Hint, It is not talking about a day.

Notice, also, what is not included in that list: bearing false witness against your neighbour, taking God's name in vain, not honouring your mother and father, oh and drinking blood (which in fact was prohibited to the Gentiles in acts 15, remember?) and quite a few other things.

So then once again your reasoning fails. You are literally saying that because Sabbath breaking isn't listed in this passage it therefore is not a sin. THAT REASONING FAILS because there are other things not listed in that passage that you and everyone else will readily acknowledge to be sins.