What's your view on Hell?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Doubting Jesus’ literal words about eternal hell and the rich man in it seeking a drop of water to cool his tongue is a salvation issue. Obviously, the dead, rich mans soul was not asleep. We are not given the luxury to second guess what Jesus meant in the passage.

The rich man and Lazarus is a story about Israel, Abrahamic promise, the untouchable non Judean, and the soteriological power of understanding Moses.
Heaven isn't a reclining couch, where we can watch people suffer in torments.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The rich man and Lazarus is a story about Israel, Abrahamic promise, the untouchable non Judean, and the soteriological power of understanding Moses.
Heaven isn't a reclining couch, where we can watch people suffer in torments.

Jesus taught through parables, not through fairy tales.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The rich man and Lazarus is a story about Israel, Abrahamic promise, the untouchable non Judean, and the soteriological power of understanding Moses.
Heaven isn't a reclining couch, where we can watch people suffer in torments.

Good point. At the end of the world and the beginning of the new, there will end all contact between the two.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Overall in this thread, it seems we should dismiss Jesus’ discussion about the rich man in hell as exaggerated and speaking of other fascinating ideas. The JWs must have got annihilation right.

This thread has nothing to do with the JW’s.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1 God

Overall in this thread, it seems we should dismiss Jesus’ discussion about the rich man in hell as exaggerated and speaking of other fascinating ideas. The JWs must have got annihilation right.

You don't have a clue what JWs believe. Most of them don't, either. So you got that in common.

Nobody said exaggeration was involved. Try to keep up, Sean.

[votivesoul]

Don't forget this one:

Originally Posted by 1 God

Overall in this thread, it seems we should dismiss Jesus’ discussion about the rich man in hell as exaggerated and speaking of other fascinating ideas. The JWs must have got annihilation right.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...1&postcount=21

Brethren, I wrote my last post to try to "shock" us to see what we have become in our generation. If we lived even 100 years ago, we would have simply believed these things and would not try to "spiritualize" the actual words and literal meanings of the Bible. I believe we are overreading(over thinking) the Bible these days.

Case in point, I used to work at an all JW company. We would debate the issue of hell. I would bring up Mark 9 and they said it is only a parable. I would bring up this passage and they said it is only a parable.

Now, "Rene", are you going to start telling us the truth?

If you try to dodge, just remember, as an admin, I have access to all member's IP numbers, including the IP numbers of those who have been banned. I can match them up with each other (the forum shows me when two different screennames are using the same IP), search for their locations/hometowns, and etc.

- Did you ever previously post here under the username Sean, regardless of whatever you now claim is your real name?

- Are you related to or do you know someone that used to post on this former who went by the username Sean?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Don't forget this one:



http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...1&postcount=21



Now, "Rene", are you going to start telling us the truth?

If you try to dodge, just remember, as an admin, I have access to all member's IP numbers, including the IP numbers of those who have been banned. I can match them up with each other (the forum shows me when two different screennames are using the same IP), search for their locations/hometowns, and etc.

- Did you ever previously post here under the username Sean, regardless of whatever you now claim is your real name?

- Are you related to or do you know someone that used to post on this former who went by the username Sean?

I wonder why this post was ignored?

[coksiw]

It is pretty obvious from the text that the OT saints had a simple understanding of death, our at least the angle was very focused on life on earth. Soul in their language had multiple meaning: self, life, emotions, person, desire, etc... depending on the context about how people used it. The meaning of a soul as a human spirit remaining conscious in a place after death is mainly an NT understanding.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by coksiw

It is pretty obvious from the text that the OT saints had a simple understanding of death, our at least the angle was very focused on life on earth. Soul in their language had multiple meaning: self, life, emotions, person, desire, etc... depending on the context about how people used it. The meaning of a soul as a human spirit remaining conscious in a place after death is mainly an NT understanding.

Yes, notice that nobody asked Jesus if that was a parable or a true story. That came 2000 years later.

[Esaias]

"and some ancient MSS., particularly that of Beza, at Cambridge, have, at the beginning, — And he spake unto them another parable." - Benson's Commentary on Luke 16:19. See https://biblehub.com/commentaries/benson/luke/16.htm