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[SDG]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

if born of water is the natural physical birth, then what was the point of mentioning it??

Perhaps a parallel that Jesus was making between the physical and the spiritual and the earthly and the heavenly.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Perhaps a parallel that Jesus was making between the physical and the spiritual and the earthly and the heavenly.

Exactly! That you need to be born of the Spirit just as you were born of the natural. That natural birth isn't enough.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Perhaps a parallel that Jesus was making between the physical and the spiritual and the earthly and the heavenly.

hmm..

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

if born of water is the natural physical birth, then what was the point of mentioning it??

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

that makes a bit of sense to this PAJC guy.. lol

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Sam

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

Well, that's what I was wanting to say, but you just said it SO much better.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Sam

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

Sam, you are of great value to this forum. Please hang around more often!!!!

(agreeing with me has nothing to do with it)

[SDG]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Sam, you are of great value to this forum. Please hang around more often!!!!

(agreeing with me has nothing to do with it)

Sam needs to be teaching at a bible school ... or giving seminars ... for real.

I'm thinking of becoming Sam groupie.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sam needs to be teaching at a bible school ... or giving seminars ... for real.

I'm thinking of becoming Sam groupie.

Sam is a very balanced guy. He always has something of value, if not humor to add!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Because Nicodemus had asked how a man could be born when he was old --could he reenter the womb and be born a second time? Jesus explained that there are two separate births. The first birth is a natural birth and affects the natural man. When the water (actually amniotic fluid) is spilled that is the first birth. It affects the flesh part of us. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. The second birth is by the Spirit and affects the spirit man within. That which is born of (God's) Spirit is (our human) spirit.

Right when answering the question about being born AGAIN Jesus said now you have to be born naturally first like that makes a lot of sense. If they hadn't been born naturally they question would not have been asked in the first place HOWEVER the question was about being born AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except a man be born naturally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good grief!
The subject is the new birth being born again. Can a man enter the second time into his mother's womb???????????? Except ye be born of water and of the Spirit that is the born again not the first birth. The foolishness folks go to in order to dismiss truth.