Is the Father the Son? - Page 8

Scott Hutchinson · #71 09-08-2007, 05:33 PM

Believer I do believe God has manifested or revealed Himself as Father,Son,Holy Ghost.The Divine side of Jesus Christ as the God man was the same as the Father.Jesus Christ said I and my Father are one.

Kansas Preacher · #72 09-08-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Believer

The Word BECAME flesh, the Word is God, and He was with God. My question to you. Who was manifested?

Since you defined "God" as "I AM," then we can read the following verse for your answer:

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God [I AM] was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory" (I Timothy 3:16).

Kansas Preacher · #73 09-08-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Believer

You didn't get this doctrine from Gal 4:4. If you read it in context, it clearly states the Son was sent forth...then He was born of a woman. the sending forth came first. Well, if you take the scripture a face value.

If YOU "take the scripture at face value", then the Son was "MADE OF A WOMAN."

Scott Hutchinson · #74 09-08-2007, 05:36 PM

God sent His son can mean God became a son.Unless there are two Gods ?
If the Son was God manifested in flesh,then God became a Son without dimishing His divinity.

#75 09-08-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

Earlier, you defined "God" as "I AM," not as the "the Father." Here, however, you define "God" as "the Father." Thus, you DO indescriminately apply whatever definition you choose.

If we are going to accomplish any meaningful discussion, you need to define your terms.

What more do you want? Doesn't the Bible say that God is the "I AM?"

Did Jesus also say He existed before Abraham and claim to be eternal?

Lets look at the context so we can see that Jesus is the same person speaking, meaning not as the Son one moment and the Father the next.

Joh 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honor my Father, and ye do dishonor me.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Scott Hutchinson · #76 09-08-2007, 05:39 PM

If the Father and Son are two different persons of God ? Then why was the Son to die at Calvary? Only God himself could redeem His fallen creation.

#77 09-08-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Believer I do believe God has manifested or revealed Himself as Father,Son,Holy Ghost.The Divine side of Jesus Christ as the God man was the same as the Father.Jesus Christ said I and my Father are one.

One what?

Kansas Preacher · #78 09-08-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Believer

You didn't get this doctrine from Gal 4:4. If you read it in context, it clearly states the Son was sent forth...then He was born of a woman. the sending forth came first. Well, if you take the scripture a face value.

Look at the verse again, in its entirety.

"But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law" (Galatians 4:4).

You are saying the Son is eternal, but the Bible says He was "sent forth" WHEN THE FULLNESS OF THE TIME WAS COME. There seems to be a discrepancy with your interpretation and the ability to "take the scripture at face value."

#79 09-08-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If the Father and Son are two different persons of God ? Then why was the Son to die at Calvary? Only God himself could redeem His fallen creation.

Is Jesus God Scott?

Kansas Preacher · #80 09-08-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Believer

What more do you want? Doesn't the Bible say that God is the "I AM?"

Did Jesus also say He existed before Abraham and claim to be eternal?

Lets look at the context so we can see that Jesus is the same person speaking, meaning not as the Son one moment and the Father the next.

Joh 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honor my Father, and ye do dishonor me.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

I have no problem with this. Jesus identified Himself as "I AM" on more than one occasion. I'm just pointing out the fact that, for you to defend the doctrine of the Trinity, you have to indiscriminately define "God." One moment, He is "I AM." Another moment, He is "the Father." Later, He is "the Son." There is no consistent way to take the term "God" and identify the One about Whom the scripture is speaking. Unless, of course, you believe in the Oneness!