The Initial Physical Evidence

[stmatthew]

The fact is that the initial evidence doctrine became a main part of the 20th century teaching because some college folks in Topeka, KS began studying on the Holy Ghost, and found that one of the common denominators listed in many of the receptions was that the recipient's spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance.

I for one would wonder why anyone would accept anything less for proof when the church was born with tongues being spoken

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The fact is that the initial evidence doctrine became a main part of the 20th century teaching because some college folks in Topeka, KS began studying on the Holy Ghost, and found that one of the common denominators listed in many of the receptions was that the recipient's spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance.

I for one would wonder why anyone would accept anything less for proof when the church was born with tongues being spoken

But they never considered themselves to be unregenerate before they received the Holy Ghost experience/tongues.

They were hungry for what they saw recorded in Acts and wanted the same thing. They weren't praying or seeking or waiting on God to get born again or "saved". They already were.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Felicity

But they never considered themselves to be unregenerate before they received the Holy Ghost experience/tongues.

They were hungry for what they saw recorded in Acts and wanted the same thing. They weren't praying or seeking or waiting on God to get born again or "saved". They already were.

Well......thats for another thread. hehehe!


I was just pointing out that this was probably the reason we stress tongues so much. Because these folks that received it at the turn of the century stressed that it came with it.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I for one would wonder why anyone would accept anything less for proof when the church was born with tongues being spoken

What does this prove? That you are accepted by God and that until then you are in salvation limbo?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

What does this prove? That you are accepted by God and that until then you are in salvation limbo?

Just my opinion.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

What does this prove? That you are accepted by God and that until then you are in salvation limbo?

You're in the birth canal I think.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Just my opinion.

Fair enough, my brother!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Well......thats for another thread. hehehe!


I was just pointing out that this was probably the reason we stress tongues so much. Because these folks that received it at the turn of the century stressed that it came with it.

Matthew........

Nobody here is questioning the Holy Ghost-tongue talking experience. We all accept that it's real and authentic. But the fact is......... those Bible School students weren't seeking the baptism of the Spirit to get saved. They already were. They wanted the "power" they read about in Acts. They were hungry for what happened there in regard to power, anointing, miracles, etc.

They never claimed "salvation" after they received tongues or lack of it before they did.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Matthew........

Nobody here is questioning the Holy Ghost-tongue talking experience. We all accept that it's real and authentic. But the fact is......... those Bible School students weren't seeking the baptism of the Spirit to get saved. They already were. They wanted the "power" they read about in Acts. They were hungry for what happened there in regard to power, anointing, miracles, etc.

They never claimed "salvation" after they received tongues or lack of it before they did.

Oh, this is what I get for skimming a thread. I thought this thread was just about the initial evidence doctrine. I didn't know we were discussing whether receiving the Holy Ghost is part of the born again experience.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Oh, this is what I get for skimming a thread. I thought this thread was just about the initial evidence doctrine. I didn't know we were discussing whether receiving the Holy Ghost is part of the born again experience.

I was just responding to the point you were making about the Topeka Bible School crowd. It's a good one to make (my point) so thought I'd better do that.