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10-07-2007, 10:00 PM
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Traveling the Road of Infraction ......
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Originally Posted by Jeanie
I found this on the internet:
When Rats Leave a Sinking Ship
During the first century A.D. Pliny the Elder wrote in his Natural History that "when a building is about to fall down, all the rats desert it." A more modern proverb suggests that rats always leave a sinking ship.
This proverbial phenomenon has been observed for centuries and led to the belief that rats possess some mystical power to anticipate disaster. A dread warning that a ship would be making its final voyage was foretold if rats were seen scurrying off the ship before it sailed. In The Tempest, Shakespeare described the boat on which the duke and his infant daughter had been set adrift as so unseaworthy that "the very rats instinctively have quite it."
It is not unusual for rats to leave a ship in great columns or masses if it is sinking. Therefore the sight of hordes of rats scurrying to upper decks of a ship might suggest to fellow passengers that the ship is on its way down. This has nothing to do with the rat’s extrasensory perception or powers of prognostication but with its awareness of what is happening at that very moment.
Being burrow dwellers by nature, rats live in the deepest recesses of the ship, in the bilge. This area is so low as to be almost inaccessible to the sailors. Thus the rats become aware of water entering the ship some time before the crew is alerted. As their nesting places are flooded, the rodents are impelled to flee the ship. Their continuous shrill cries of alarm quickly summon the rest of the rats from the hold. They build up into a large, frightened mass of rodents making a panicky exodus. This is, of course, a final calamity for the rats, since they will try to swim to eternity and usually do.
It is quite natural that a sight such as this would incite the passengers and crew to an equally hasty, harried departure but one that ends less disastrously.
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See, that's what I meant.
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10-07-2007, 10:01 PM
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Traveling the Road of Infraction ......
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Originally Posted by CC1
I find it interesting that folks like NW are using video in a big way on the on the internet with ABN Global but are leaving the UPC over it allowing the same thing on broadcast stations vs. just the inernet.
Selective use of technology is ok I guess. Apparently the internet is a "worthy medium".
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Noah Webster is not even a member. :sshhh
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10-07-2007, 10:04 PM
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i noticed earlier in this thread there was a mention of some of the debaters, and mention of d.l. welch, i can tell you for certain, he exalted the bible and never thought the manual was even close to the word, dt
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10-07-2007, 10:12 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Bro. Chambers years ago at a meeting declared holding the Bible in one hand and the manual in the other said the church shall be governed by these two books.(Or something very similiar.) I forget the exact words.
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That's kinda scary, isn't it?
We were taught that one of the marks of a cult is placing their writings on a par with the Bible.
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10-07-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by keith4him
Nate Wilson leaving the UPC? Where did this come from?
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I didn't say he was but I thought I had seen his name among those organizing the Tulsa meeting. I could be mistaken and confused. My wife says I often am.
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10-07-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
i noticed earlier in this thread there was a mention of some of the debaters, and mention of d.l. welch, i can tell you for certain, he exalted the bible and never thought the manual was even close to the word, dt 
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That is true and honestly the others debators did NOT either. But those Campbellites would quote the manual verbatim and it did carry weight with their audience that was there. It sure made life easier debating them without having to eat it from them.
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10-07-2007, 10:36 PM
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Hello AFF!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeanie
I found this on the internet:
When Rats Leave a Sinking Ship
During the first century A.D. Pliny the Elder wrote in his Natural History that "when a building is about to fall down, all the rats desert it." A more modern proverb suggests that rats always leave a sinking ship.
This proverbial phenomenon has been observed for centuries and led to the belief that rats possess some mystical power to anticipate disaster. A dread warning that a ship would be making its final voyage was foretold if rats were seen scurrying off the ship before it sailed. In The Tempest, Shakespeare described the boat on which the duke and his infant daughter had been set adrift as so unseaworthy that "the very rats instinctively have quite it."
It is not unusual for rats to leave a ship in great columns or masses if it is sinking. Therefore the sight of hordes of rats scurrying to upper decks of a ship might suggest to fellow passengers that the ship is on its way down. This has nothing to do with the rat’s extrasensory perception or powers of prognostication but with its awareness of what is happening at that very moment.
Being burrow dwellers by nature, rats live in the deepest recesses of the ship, in the bilge. This area is so low as to be almost inaccessible to the sailors. Thus the rats become aware of water entering the ship some time before the crew is alerted. As their nesting places are flooded, the rodents are impelled to flee the ship. Their continuous shrill cries of alarm quickly summon the rest of the rats from the hold. They build up into a large, frightened mass of rodents making a panicky exodus. This is, of course, a final calamity for the rats, since they will try to swim to eternity and usually do.
It is quite natural that a sight such as this would incite the passengers and crew to an equally hasty, harried departure but one that ends less disastrously.
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Are you saying these men are rats and better ships are needed?
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10-07-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhymis
See, that's what I meant. 
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Rats are dirty, nasty critters.
Rat proof your ships!
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10-07-2007, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
Are you saying these men are rats and better ships are needed?
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No, Reymis brought the subject up--I think its interesting analogy really, aside from the fact the animal in question is a rat.
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10-07-2007, 10:43 PM
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Is it a sinking ship or is it the Mother Ship?
Does Acts 27:31 apply here?
or
Does the Stairs quote on page 239 of the Fudge book apply?
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