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Old 11-01-2007, 10:25 AM
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I agree Families are even at risk of being split up...

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Old 11-01-2007, 10:32 AM
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Sometimes with change there is sacrifice...
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:34 AM
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Sometimes with change there is sacrifice...

Elaborate on this if you will- give specifics

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Old 11-01-2007, 10:36 AM
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Elaborate on this if you will- give specifics

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In order for the UPC to flourish, we have to sacrifice those wicked cons like Wilson and Booker.
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:40 AM
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In order for the UPC to flourish, we have to sacrifice those wicked cons like Wilson and Booker.
With change there will simply be sacrifices..both sides going in knew what this would cost whether for or against...we aren't talking about braindead folks here...but very intelligent and smart people...

They knew the political ramifications and the family ties that would be lost if this happened...

right now what they have to figure out is how to make it work...

I DO Think that there are those going to TULSA wanting Leadership Positions, something they never had in the UPC....

but it will remain to be seen what happens... imo....

I think some will keep their license past the meeting just to see where they will stand in the "NEW" org...
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Old 11-01-2007, 10:53 AM
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With change there will simply be sacrifices..both sides going in knew what this would cost whether for or against...we aren't talking about braindead folks here...but very intelligent and smart people...

They knew the political ramifications and the family ties that would be lost if this happened...

right now what they have to figure out is how to make it work...

I DO Think that there are those going to TULSA wanting Leadership Positions, something they never had in the UPC....

but it will remain to be seen what happens... imo....

I think some will keep their license past the meeting just to see where they will stand in the "NEW" org...

Johnny Godair: Has been a DS, was for years. Later on, pulled his name from elections. Wanting power? Hardly. He had it.

Crawford Coon: Never has he been a political climber. Has stated publicly in my hearing that the "least fun" he ever had was as a presbyter in Indiana. Has shunned and avoided political office.

Floyd Odom: Another man who has never sought office.

Larry Booker: One of the least office minded men I know. I doubt if you could run fast enough to give him one.

N.J. Wilson: You might have about half a point here. He has had great power in the organization, and was Harvesttime Director years ago. However, he did apparently want to be DS of the Western District.

So your point, if indeed you have one, is miniscule and does not apply to most of the movers and shakers.

It seems to be very difficult for some folks to understand that there really are men who have strong convictions, and will live by them, regardless of the personal cost.

It makes some feel better to try and relegate everything to "politics."

I guess we all view things through our own personal lense.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:02 AM
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With change there will simply be sacrifices..both sides going in knew what this would cost whether for or against...we aren't talking about braindead folks here...but very intelligent and smart people...

They knew the political ramifications and the family ties that would be lost if this happened...

right now what they have to figure out is how to make it work...

I DO Think that there are those going to TULSA wanting Leadership Positions, something they never had in the UPC....

but it will remain to be seen what happens... imo....

I think some will keep their license past the meeting just to see where they will stand in the "NEW" org...

I don't know about the ones on the steering committee that are from back east, but i agree TOTALLY about the ones from out here in the west . EVERYONE I have talked to agrees and they are all preachers. If you've lived it, you can see it for what it is. no rose colored glasses here
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:02 AM
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Johnny Godair: Has been a DS, was for years. Later on, pulled his name from elections. Wanting power? Hardly. He had it.

Crawford Coon: Never has he been a political climber. Has stated publicly in my hearing that the "least fun" he ever had was as a presbyter in Indiana. Has shunned and avoided political office.

Floyd Odom: Another man who has never sought office.

Larry Booker: One of the least office minded men I know. I doubt if you could run fast enough to give him one.

N.J. Wilson: You might have about half a point here. He has had great power in the organization, and was Harvesttime Director years ago. However, he did apparently want to be DS of the Western District.

So your point, if indeed you have one, is miniscule and does not apply to most of the movers and shakers.

It seems to be very difficult for some folks to understand that there really are men who have strong convictions, and will live by them, regardless of the personal cost.

It makes some feel better to try and relegate everything to "politics."

I guess we all view things through our own personal lense.

It is also true that we know what we see. And for some of us the lens that we are looking through is pretty clear.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:03 AM
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It is also true that we know what we see. And for some of us the lens that we are looking through is pretty clear.
YEEEEEEP!!! and i KNOW that YOU KNOW!!!!

If they only KNEW HOW !!! lol lol lol !!!!
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:17 AM
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If they only KNEW HOW !!! lol lol lol !!!!
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