Trump 2016

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by n david

Why would anyone gloat they were duped and fell for a bunch of lies?

I don't know. You tell me. Never Trump publications are just as out there as Democrat leftist publications.

i fully expect Trump to be a disappointment in some areas. I see him as a reprieve that will give originalists like myself time to plan for the State uprisings that are to come. I'm not looking for a President or any other official from one of the three co-equal branches of the Federal Government to be a conservative constitutionalist Savior that will lead us into the promised land. Only the States can do that, and they can only do that when the voters in the States elect State level officials who will stand up to Washington. This is my focus.

The only reason I care about keeping Hillary out is that she will make our job that much harder. Overcoming 10 million new votes from legalized illegals will be very hard to do without civil war. Thus, if Trump does not do a thing besides NOT giving these people the vote, I will be satisfied. However, I do think he will accomplish some good things, unlike those of you who are believing Never Trump "conservative" propaganda.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I don't know. You tell me. Never Trump publications are just as out there as Democrat leftist publications.

i fully expect Trump to be a disappointment in some areas. I see him as a reprieve that will give originalists like myself time to plan for the State uprisings that are to come. I'm not looking for a President or any other official from one of the three co-equal branches of the Federal Government to be a conservative constitutionalist Savior that will lead us into the promised land. Only the States can do that, and they can only do that when the voters in the States elect State level officials who will stand up to Washington. This is my focus.

The only reason I care about keeping Hillary out is that she will make our job that much harder. Overcoming 10 million new votes from legalized illegals will be very hard to do without civil war. Thus, if Trump does not do a thing besides NOT giving these people the vote, I will be satisfied. However, I do think he will accomplish some good things, unlike those of you who are believing Never Trump "conservative" propaganda.

A disappointment in "some" areas? The danger of Donald Trump getting elected is that he is moving the Conservatives to the Left. He gets you in his pocket and then changes his policy. Although, has he ever changed? Holding his feet to the fire is the only way to keep him from going to the Left, but as we have seen by those supposed "Conservatives", they aren't holding him to anything. They only have the weak argument that "at least it is not Hillary."

Ben Shapiro makes an excellent point:

That brings us to the real reason to oppose Trump’s candidacy: the attempt to turn the conservative movement into a nationalist populist one, complete with shilling for Trump’s incomprehensible decisions and statements. If you believe that the only solution to America’s problems is true conservatism, your greatest fear is not a Hillary presidency: It’s the perversion of the conservative movement itself, the corruption of conservatism in favor of power. Hillary Clinton’s presidency does not snuff out conservatism, even though it provides a serious danger to the republic. Trump’s presidency does. Why? Because conservatives are already tailoring their morality, decency, and political sense to fit Trumpism….Barack Obama has taken America toward a cliff at 100 mph; Hillary will press the accelerator further, so that we’ll be moving at 120 mph; Trump would presumably press the accelerator only slightly, so that we’d be cruising toward that cliff at 110 mph. The difference: Trump will force his conservative passengers to rip out the reverse gear in order to justify him. Conservatism will become Trumpism. Conservatives will prioritize winning over truth.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8297/h...mp-ben-shapiro

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

A disappointment in "some" areas? The danger of Donald Trump getting elected is that he is moving the Conservatives to the Left. He gets you in his pocket and then changes his policy. Although, has he ever changed? Holding his feet to the fire is the only way to keep him from going to the Left, but as we have seen by those supposed "Conservatives", they aren't holding him to anything. They only have the weak argument that "at least it is not Hillary."

Ben Shapiro makes an excellent point:

He's too late. Conservatism can't be taken any further to the left than it already has.

But Shapiro misses a greater point. Only the States are going to be able to win this battle, not any Conservative President. Any so-called conservative platform that does not include a radical return to State sovereignty, including the right to secede, is wasting its time.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Originalist

He's too late. Conservatism can't be taken any further to the left than it already has.

But Shapiro misses a greater point. Only the States are going to be able to win this battle, not any Conservative President. Any so-called conservative platform that does not include a radical return to State sovereignty, including the right to secede, is wasting its time.

Bingo.
It will take either some Governors will guts or a threat of seccession by Texas to end this Federal Tyranny.
And I do not see either happening.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Bingo.
It will take either some Governors will guts or a threat of seccession by Texas to end this Federal Tyranny.
And I do not see either happening.

It will happen only if Christians step up to the plate, like Christians of the past, and lead such a movement. We should not do so with the illusion that we can build utopia here, but to create a new government that can't be used as the agency of godless freaks to institutionalize the vilest immorality.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It will happen only if Christians step up to the plate, like Christians of the past, and lead such a movement. We should not do so with the illusion that we can build utopia here, but to create a new government that can't be used as the agency of godless freaks to institutionalize the vilest immorality.

Your primary opponents will be "Christians".

Doubt it will happen this generation. In three or four? It will be inevitable. But until then, we need patience and a steady, forward march, generation by generation, continuing to withdraw from this socialist Antichrist system, and building our own, independent, Christian society.

We've done this before, we will do it again. So, the future's actually bright.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It will happen only if Christians step up to the plate, like Christians of the past, and lead such a movement. We should not do so with the illusion that we can build utopia here, but to create a new government that can't be used as the agency of godless freaks to institutionalize the vilest immorality.

Christians? Like the kind supporting Trump? If it is these same people, don't look for any meaningful change.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Christians? Like the kind supporting Trump? If it is these same people, don't look for any meaningful change.

Again, you don't see that the Executive Branch is only supposed to play a limited role. Christians are voting for Trump mainly for what he won't do, that is, he won't allow illegals to continue to flood in. There is not another GOP candidate who took the stand he did on that, not even Cruz.

If you want real change, stop obsessing over the Executive and join the State sovereignty movement.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, you don't see that the Executive Branch is only supposed to play a limited role. Christians are voting for Trump mainly for what he won't do, that is, he won't allow illegals to continue to flood in. There is not another GOP candidate who took the stand he did on that, not even Cruz.

If you want real change, stop obsessing over the Executive and join the State sovereignty movement.

The bolded is completely and factually untrue.

There is no evidence that the GOP Nominee will do anything to curb the flow of illegal immigration. There is actually more evidence he will continue things as they are. He's on record praising obama's immigration record! He's made statements showing he will not be as strong against illegal immigration as he claims. As I've stated before, there won't be a wall, nor will there be any new enforcement or deportations. It will continue business as usual, because the GOP Nominee is a business man, and illegal immigration is good for his business.

As for him vs Cruz...the only thing the GOP Nominee has done is co-opted other politicians immigration policies. Cruz is on the record as opposing illegal immigration. The GOP Nominee has talked a good game, but has ZERO evidence or record to back it up. Cruz has the record showing his opposition to illegal immigration.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Lordy!! Heads will roll in the Democratic Party if this happens. LOL!

Lol, remember the time Trump said Hillary's toast?

Remember all the times he called Romney pathetic and a loser because he lost to Obama in 2012? And now Trump is staring a total blowout loss in the face?

Remember when he ran his mouth over and over about how "we're gonna win. America's gonna win. We don't win anymore, but when I'm president, we'll win so much, we'll win so much, people are gonna whine and say 'why do we have to win all the time? I'm tired of winning."

And the masses bought it. And the evangelicals bought it. And now here we are a week from election day and the hand writing is on the wall. It could have been avoided if christians and conservatives hadn't abandoned their principles to allow a snake oil salesman run away with the nomination. Now its time to reap.