Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Right. It all comes down to "in some way".

the problem is people use terms that are not defined. Doe she mean flesh as in skin or does he mean Flesh as a euphemistic term for human?

Does he mean Mother of God in the sense that she gave birth to a god that never existed before or does he mean mother of God in the sense she provided the physical DNA for His humanity, carried Him as a man in her womb and then raised the child?

If Mary provided the physical DNA for His humanity, then the birth of Jesus was in violation of the biological laws that His Father created. If instead Mary provided one-half of the physical DNA for His humanity, then the other half came from His Father, and indeed, the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...and we beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

read John 1:1,14.

With all due respect BrotherEastman, flesh does not die. It takes a person to die.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You and Jfrog are on two different pages. He isn't advocating worship of Mary. Nor is he advocating flesh is God. Nobody is. This proves you don't really understand what we are saying even after having explained it to you.

I did not say that Jfrog advocated the worship of Mary: this is what I wrote:
"In some way, the fleshly mind can conceive Mary as the mother of God. Only then could a man even be led to believe in the worship of Mary." I was not referring to Jfrog, but to men with carnal minds. Who, today, worships Mary?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by phareztamar

If Mary provided the physical DNA for His humanity, then the birth of Jesus was in violation of the biological laws that His Father created.

I have two questions

Please prove it?

And If true, so what?

If instead Mary provided one-half of the physical DNA for His humanity, then the other half came from His Father, and indeed, the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us...and we beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father.

Uh...you missed my point. She provided human DNA from the Human race so that He is a human just like us. My statement did not reflect a view of whether God created some DNA also and mixed it with hers...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I did not say that Jfrog advocated the worship of Mary: this is what I wrote:
"In some way, the fleshly mind can conceive Mary as the mother of God. Only then could a man even be led to believe in the worship of Mary." I was not referring to Jfrog, but to men with carnal minds. Who, today, worships Mary?

Their worship of Mary has nothing to do with being the woman that carried God incarnate.

That doctrine developed many years afterwards around the idea that she suffered as much as he did and that if Christ was to be perfect she had to be perfect too.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I did not say that Jfrog advocated the worship of Mary: this is what I wrote:
"In some way, the fleshly mind can conceive Mary as the mother of God. Only then could a man even be led to believe in the worship of Mary." I was not referring to Jfrog, but to men with carnal minds. Who, today, worships Mary?

Maybe I should ask who worships Mary? I know of none. There are some that pray to her and that may seem strange because we only pray to God. So we equate prayer as only being for God. However, what if someone was to believe that prayer was not only for God?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Maybe I should ask who worships Mary? I know of none. There are some that pray to her and that may seem strange because we only pray to God. So we equate prayer as only being for God. However, what if someone was to believe that prayer was not only for God?

I was going to deal with that nuance but I felt it better to just get at his point

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Maybe I should ask who worships Mary? I know of none. There are some that pray to her and that may seem strange because we only pray to God. So we equate prayer as only being for God. However, what if someone was to believe that prayer was not only for God?

Beloved, the Roman Catholic Church teaches the veneration and worship of Mary (sic: the mother of God). If prayer was not meant only FOR God, how would you define it?

[shazeep]

(um, talking to dead people)

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

(um, talking to dead people)

LOL
Sorry about that outburst: but, yeah, you're right.