Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ILG

Since the issue is being debated here on this board, it is a debatable issue, whether you are willing to admit that or not. Actually, any issue is debatable.

Sorry, but that's not what I was saying to you, I made myself clear.
It's not debatable because you were "called" to be a woman preacher.
Since you put God in the equation (I'm guessing that you believe it was God who called you) then all discussion with YOU, is a futile. Therefore it's not a debatable issue with you.

Originally Posted by ILG

What makes you thinkk that it is not you who is just randomly deciding that women are not called?

Ironic that you would only quote the first sentence in my explanation to you.
You have your experience (being a female minister) and use that as validation for your belief system. I on the other hand, while there are physically women preachers who are out and about, preaching to congregations, and teaching seminars. I would rather find validation in the scripture. I find no where in the scripture where it upholds female leadership over adult married or single men. Still you base what you believe on your experience and make the scriptures fit your experience. In other words, the Bible doesn’t have to line up with our life experiences, we must line up to the Bible’s scriptural experiences.

Originally Posted by ILG

Actually, when I was called, I did not believe in women preachers.Try that one on for size. And, many of the people surrounding me did not believe in women preachers.

You might find this odd, but what you are saying is not that uncommon.
Still, Joseph Smith most likely didn't know a whole lot of people who were meeting up with angelic beings out in the woods like he did. Still, a careful study of the scriptures would of shown the young Joe Smith that his experience shouldn't of held precedence over the Holy Scriptures.

Originally Posted by ILG

How would you know what I doubted and what I didn't? How would you know anything about my struggles or lack thereof? The truth is, you know nothing of it. And, usually, the smeller is the feller. Maybe you should apply your own thinking to your own experiences.

You climbed behind a pulpit didn't you? Didn't I read where you said that you didn't believe in female preachers, and that those around you at the time of your calling didn't believe in them either? Yet, you did manage to get behind the preacher's desk? I assume that there were people in the auditorium when this happened? So, there were people who validated you, and allowed you continue in what you believed was your position. Therefore there was no doubt, because doubt would of brought on the apprehension of actually carrying out the position. As far as applying this thinking to myself, I constantly do it, I think every saint of God, must self examine if they are still in the faith.

I must say this, even though I don't believe you have any position over men, I do believe that you are a valuble member in the Body of Christ and to be used Biblically as the scripture dictates.

No offence intended, I hope none taken.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

I just got back from a 16 hour day and am checking in. You know, after reading your response here I can do one of three things.

1. I can bow to your superior intellect and Bible knowledge. But that would be disingenuous of me since I don't think you are are correct.
2. I run the risk of appearing as if I am skerred and beg out of the 'discussion' due to my lack of time to engage at this point.
3. I can continue to discuss with you, a pointless activity since you make it habit to misconstrue what I say, you put words in my mouth, and you ignore other things I say.

I opt for the second option because of my severe time constraints and because of number three. I hesitated to enter this discussion and now regret that did because I cannot follow through. I initially responded in anger to Pastor Epley's flippant attitude and I shouldn't have. Pastor Epley's derisive sarcasm and condescension and your insults do not contribute to a respectful or fruitful conversation. If you had this unteachable, arrogoant attitude as a student in our school you would be expelled for insubordination and divisiveness. You seem to think that you are the only one who is able to do research and think clearly on a matter and you talk down to people as if they're stupid. You imply that I eisegete scripture and do my research on the internet. That's untrue and insulting. I had a discussion about this topic just this week with one of my professors who is a published author and recognized leading authority on women's ministry and Roman culture of the period. In addition, I do look at lexicons, and concordances, and commentaries, and all sorts of well known and obscure sources to form my views. My opinions are not uninformed. You would do well to treat people with respect and stop treating people who disagree with you as opponents and as people of lesser intelligence. Even if you were correct on an issue, your boorish and arrogant attitude sours the discussion so as to prevent reasonable people from even considering your point of view seriously.

A man can't even get converted. That Pastor Phoebe and Apostle Junia helped Paul since they were his pastor. I met a man once who knew a guy that heard about someone reading a book on Roman culture and it said when Paul went to the third heaven those unlawful words he could not utter was spoke by Phoebe and Junia they are recorded in their lost books.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A man can't even get converted.

Elder I thought I was being very kind.

[Sister Alvear]

I was thinking about being Pastor Epley and Benincasa´s Pastor...just how do you folks feel about that????????????????????????????????????

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I was thinking about being Pastor Epley and Benincasa´s Pastor...just how do you folks feel about that????????????????????????????????????

Will you be serving the guarana soda?

[Jermyn Davidson]

I believe women can be called to preach.

I don't believe they should adopt masculine mannerisms when they preach.

I don't believe that it is God's will for there to be women Pastors.

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A man can't even get converted. That Pastor Phoebe and Apostle Junia helped Paul since they were his pastor. I met a man once who knew a guy that heard about someone reading a book on Roman culture and it said when Paul went to the third heaven those unlawful words he could not utter was spoke by Phoebe and Junia they are recorded in their lost books.

There you go again with, taking words that the other guy said I said (but that I didn't say) and trying to make fun of someone who disagrees with you. You're shameless. You and your evangelist friend are both incorrigible, argumentative provacateurs who assume the position of informed people and use sarcasm and sardonic condescension to attempt to bully and shame other people into agreeing with you. Doing so may impress and convince some, but in dealing with people with any sense and intelligence it is just plain rude behavior that scripture clearly says is unbecoming of men who claim to be ministers of the gospel.

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Elder I thought I was being very kind.

My friend, if you think you were being kind then you need to seriously re-evaluate the way you interact with people because your rudeness and arrogance is so ingrained in your way of thinking that you're blind to your boorishness, and that's a sad place to be. You are obviously an intelligent person who pursues truth. You just have not demonstrated on this forum the ability to carry on a respectful discussion with people who disagree with your opinion, an opinion btw that you would do well to acknowledge could possibly be wrong. You cannot be right about everything, none of us can. But you assume the position of superiority in every discussion where I've read your pov on this forum and you treat people as if we are morons. I, for one, will not have a discussion with someone who behaves as you do. Perhaps others will, but I don't have time to attempt to give my point of view and then unravel all of your mischaracterizations of my opinion, defend myself against your false charges, while all the while absorbing your insults and innuendo. I just don't have the time, energy, or inclination to do that. In fact, I've all but decided to leave forums altogether due to my time constraints with school, work, and ministry. I barely have time to come in here anymore, much less to try to have a reasonable discussion with people who want to do little more than sling mud. But, for the gospel's sake, I beg you to read and pray to God that you can internalize I Cor 13.

Ok, I'm off again to another 16 hour day. Probably won't be back until late in the week. Blessings.

[theoldpaths]

I wonder if what we believe concerning certain subjects is based upon the word of God or is it just - "well this is what I believe or this is just how I feel about it"?

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

I wonder if what we believe concerning certain subjects is based upon the word of God or is it just - "well this is what I believe or this is just how I feel about it"?

well, i suppose both sides of this argument could say that with equal force.