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Old 09-18-2007, 07:33 PM
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:45 AM
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No it isnt. if it was I would be one. well not really. I still wouldnt be one. feminism seeks to create sameness between the sexes.
Read the definitions I provided.
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Old 09-19-2007, 07:47 AM
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1. Liberal Feminism which contains reproductive freedom (this might mean birth control all the way to abortion), shared responsibilities for men and women in child rearing, maternity leave. LF's support the family as a social institution but believe that families must support the ambitions of both men and women. LB's do not believe women need to march toward any single political goal.

I think most Christians who want any equal rights for women at all fit into this category minus abortion rights.
So, you are against birth control? You are against men helping with child rearing? You are against maternity leave? You are opposed to the family as a social institution? You believe that families should only support the amibtions of men? You believe that women should march toward a single political goal? What exactly are you against in this??
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Radical feminism is downright scary. I believe they'd like to make men extinct and support cloning!
I think they want castration!
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:34 AM
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So, you are against birth control? You are against men helping with child rearing? You are against maternity leave? You are opposed to the family as a social institution? You believe that families should only support the amibtions of men? You believe that women should march toward a single political goal? What exactly are you against in this??
I am against all forms of feminism because regardless of what color of lipstick you put on that pig, it is still a pig.

I believe that the bible and good Christian character are our guides. Period. And we don’t have to join forces with that lot of God hating; disorder loving crusaders who make claims about “equality” when what they really want is a wedge to use for their own benefit.

I think every person regardless of what they look like or what sex they are should be valued for who they are and the work they do. Period. That isn’t a feminist idea it is a good idea. That includes, respect, pay, and what ever else measure you want to use.

I think men and women who make the decision to have a baby had best be in it together 100%. That isn’t a feminist ideal it is good since. But feminism seeks to undo the order that God has set in place. There is no such thing as a man and woman being equal in raising kids. Equal to a feminist means both parents doing the same things, having the same input and the kid gaining the same value from each parent. Each parent in that system is interchangeable. That is a false notion. My wife and I each put 100% into our little boy. That is because this is the job GOD has entrusted us with! That isn’t a feminist ideal. There is a reason, Levi cries for mommy when he is hurt and cries for daddy when he is scared. We bring DIFFERENT things to his life. Both are equally important, but that isn’t what feminism says.

So I emphatically reject all forms of feminism. That doesn’t mean I reject the notion that Men and Women are valuable and deserve to be treated with the same respect.
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Oh and maternity leave is a classic proof that feminism isnt about equality. ever see a feminist champion Paternity leave?
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:37 AM
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I must get off this thread..I am too passionate to make Jesus known...I am weeping...
Mother Alvear, your words here have amazed me. You are a true giant and I pray for you daily.

Ive read a LOT of what youve written here and plan on printing and reading with greater focus all of it.

You are AWESOME. if the rest of us could just get half of your passion for the lost, what a impact we could have.
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I am against all forms of feminism because regardless of what color of lipstick you put on that pig, it is still a pig.

I think men and women who make the decision to have a baby had best be in it together 100%. That isn’t a feminist ideal it is good since. But feminism seeks to undo the order that God has set in place. There is no such thing as a man and woman being equal in raising kids. Equal to a feminist means both parents doing the same things, having the same input and the kid gaining the same value from each parent. Each parent in that system is interchangeable. That is a false notion. My wife and I each put 100% into our little boy. That is because this is the job GOD has entrusted us with! That isn’t a feminist ideal. There is a reason, Levi cries for mommy when he is hurt and cries for daddy when he is scared. We bring DIFFERENT things to his life. Both are equally important, but that isn’t what feminism says.

So I emphatically reject all forms of feminism. That doesn’t mean I reject the notion that Men and Women are valuable and deserve to be treated with the same respect.
I don't think you are against all form sof feminism. You are against what you define as feminism.
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Oh and maternity leave is a classic proof that feminism isnt about equality. ever see a feminist champion Paternity leave?
Ever see a man carry a baby? (And I am not sure that feminism is against paternity leave.)
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I think paternity leave is great as well. I've seen couples split the leave between the two of them.
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