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Old 12-14-2007, 01:00 PM
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your good buddy Daniel A.

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oooohhh, I get it.

I have to admit there are a few things D.A. has said that I agree with, things like, "It's daytime here at noon" and "People eat".
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:00 PM
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Is someone telling you that you should be UNhappy and UNcomfortable because of where you are in GOD?

Why do you feel you need keep saying that? Could it be because you need to constantly re-affirm your beliefs because they are hanging by a thread?

I am asking because I know this is a rather pervasive attitude in Pentecost.
sorry bro, barking up the wrong tree, i am to old to not do what i need to do, and believe what i want, happy i am, no reason to read anything into what i say, i mean what i say and say what i mean, lol,dt
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:02 PM
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sorry bro, barking up the wrong tree, i am to old to not do what i need to do, and believe what i want, happy i am, no reason to read anything into what i say, i mean what i say and say what i mean, lol,dt
Alright then, I would say we need a few more like you around here.

...can you please describe what you meant earlier by being happy "in God"?
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:03 PM
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Alright then, I would say we need a few more like you around here.

...can you please describe what you meant earlier by being happy "in God"?
i mean comfortable in his presence, and happy with his favour bro, merry chrsitmas, lol,dt
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:11 PM
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oooohhh, I get it.

I have to admit there are a few things D.A. has said that I agree with, things like, "It's daytime here at noon" and "People eat".
Now that there is funny. I dont care who you are, that is funny!
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:12 PM
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i mean comfortable in his presence, and happy with his favour bro, merry chrsitmas, lol,dt
Good, me too.

I remember meeting one man who I used to go to church with, a man who had witnessed miracles and was in church for years, and he still attended the smaller UPC in town while I had moved to the large UPC 5 years earlier.

I simply asked him how he was doing and he responded kind of like you..."I am doing great, I am happy where I am, I am not looking for anything else..." as though he thought the first words out of my mouth were going to try and get him to leave.

I thought, wow, that guy is really paranoid. Within 6 months, he had moved to Vegas and was back to a smokin' and a drinkin' his family in complete shambles...
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Old 12-14-2007, 01:13 PM
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Now that there is funny. I dont care who you are, that is funny!
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:35 PM
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I think your problem is my problem. we arent clicking that little triangle in the corner and reporting those who make such an accusation.

The thing that really bothers me about our friend doing this is, that time and again, I went to bat for him because I believe that his position has a place here.

however that has turned from a point of doctrine to the same kind of baseball bat, Ultra-Cons get accused of using.
Yes, it is a very INTOLERANT position, which is ironic when you really think about it.
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:41 PM
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You know what I find so interesting is that really this forum has caused me to re-think and challenge my beliefs and further my abililty to publicly state what I believe and understand about baptism and standards, and most topics having to do with doctrine, salvation, tradition, and culture, etc.

I would venture a guess that most garden variety Apostolic saint would have a difficult time were they put on the spot to totally exhaust their beliefs to someone else, and further have the abilty to instantly respond to the difficult questions posed here by various folks.

I would say that most apostolic pew sitters would break out in a cold sweat if their statement of belief was challenged from an academic standpoint and not necessarily from an antagonistic perspective.

You know why I say this? I have tried it and you know what? After the cold sweat, atomic anger and indignation follows.

I guess I said all that to say, I am glad folks can hit the topics from all sides, hopefully it gives folks a stronger ability to become an apologetic for their faith.
I think it's fine to evolve from time to time. But there comes a point when constant doctrinal questioning can become damaging.

I don't care how well built the pier is; if you ram it constantly with a dozer it's gonna bust, and everything tied to it will drift into oblivion.

I am not of the opinion that constant questioning is good. At some point strong roots need to be nurtured and protected. There comes a time when one needs to move on to new areas of discussion. This is not happening here. There is an obvious agenda.

I do think we need to be aware that a simple majority of our posters may not even be of the classic PCI/PAJC view.
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Old 12-15-2007, 04:56 PM
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How/why would anyone accuse you of being a Mormon or papist?
how would that even come up?
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Dan A says we are sacramentalist and baptismal regenerationsists like the Catholic church.

I'm not sure I've been compared to a Mormon yet!
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That's pretty much what I am talking about.

I have no problem with MOW, Felicity or others who say they hold to a PCI version of doctrine. I disagree with them, but I respect them.

My problem is with those who come on here and call me a sacrementalist, papist, Mormon, holy grail protector just because I won't bend on doctrine.

It's all about agenda.
I see where you're coming from on that. I recently posted a question inquiring as to whether anyone knew of any Apostolic sites dealing with Mormonism.

One of the early responses I got was this:
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I don't know of any ... either.

However, some OP's hold various doctrines and practices in common w/ Mormons. Among them are:

1. Doctrine of Baptismal Regeneration
2. Proper administration of baptism mitigates salvation
3. Apostasy brought an end to Apostolic doctrine being taught, after the 1st century, and it was restored within the last 2 centuries.
Obviously, I was more than a little displeased.
I had to move quickly to prevent the thread from being taken in an unnecessary direction.

Some of these folks seem to have more zeal for bashing orthodox Oneness Pentecostals than for bashing the devil or his many false-doctrine churches out there.
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