CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Should we count homosexuals as lost, and just leave them alone? If so, then we should also count the adulterer and fornicator just as lost for violating the proper role of sex as God intended outside the covenant of marriage. One sin is not greater than the other.

This is not a 'mission field'. These folks think that they are Christians already. This is for entertainment. Do you REALLY thing CeCe is going to tell them that they are lost?

[Sister Alvear]

While one sin may not be greater than another sin we must be careful that we hate what God hates and love what He loves...while God hates sin he loves the sinner...yet a person that knows what God hates and remains condoning what God hates and fellowshipping what God hates is on dangerous territory.

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

While one sin may not be greater than another sin we must be careful that we hate what God hates and love what He loves...while God hates sin he loves the sinner...yet a person that knows what God hates and remains condoning what God hates and fellowshipping what God hates is on dangerous territory.

Absolutely there is no excuse when someone KNOWS but IGNOREs GODs WORD., or worse, tries to justify their actions, as if GOD will take kindly to being mocked.

[hartmann]

all to many treat it as a sickness and not as sin, believing God for their healing. That is why so many times they will even use them in positions in a church. Also if they are extremely talented, well, we are believing for their deliverance, so often said.

this is such a sad twisted way to thinking, Sin is sin, talented or not IMO.

[tv1a]

I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week. The church is generally homophobic. They think homosexuality is an abomination while on the pulpit sits a preacher of Ehud like porportions. A homosexual doesn't do near as much damage as a gossiping pentecostal. God looks at sin the same way, just because one does a little shockamoo doen't mean their sin is any worse than homosexuality.

Contrary to popular belief Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't destroyed because of homosexual tendancies. They were destroyed because they did not take care of the children and the poor. Exekiel 16:49

Originally Posted by hartmann

all to many treat it as a sickness and not as sin, believing God for their healing. That is why so many times they will even use them in positions in a church. Also if they are extremely talented, well, we are believing for their deliverance, so often said.

this is such a sad twisted way to thinking, Sin is sin, talented or not IMO.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week. The church is generally homophobic. They think homosexuality is an abomination while on the pulpit sits a preacher of Ehud like porportions. A homosexual doesn't do near as much damage as a gossiping pentecostal. God looks at sin the same way, just because one does a little shockamoo doen't mean their sin is any worse than homosexuality.

Contrary to popular belief Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't destroyed because of homosexual tendancies. They were destroyed because they did not take care of the children and the poor. Exekiel 16:49

First of all, it does appear that God judges some sins worse than others. Homosexuality is a curse from God that He turns unrepentant man over to. All transgressions against God are sin but not all sins are created equal.

You said "I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week". What scripture guideline do you have for this? You don't think homosexuality is an abomination?

[tv1a]

The word gossip is also mentioned in the passage regarding homosexual behavior.

Side question, correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears as if you believe once a homosexual always a homosexual.

Rom 1:18-32
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves.
19 For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts.
20 From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead.
23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes.
24 So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies.
25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen.
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.
28 When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.
29 Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.
30 They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents.
31 They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving.
32 They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
NLT

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

First of all, it does appear that God judges some sins worse than others. Homosexuality is a curse from God that He turns unrepentant man over to. All transgressions against God are sin but not all sins are created equal.

You said "I would use a homosexual before I would use a gossiper anyday of the week". What scripture guideline do you have for this? You don't think homosexuality is an abomination?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The word gossip is also mentioned in the passage regarding homosexual behavior.

Side question, correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears as if you believe once a homosexual always a homosexual.

In a passage. Not THE only passage. Where do you get the idea that I think a homosexual cannot be regenerated?

[Prodigal]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Homosexuality is a curse from God that He turns unrepentant man over to.

Can you expand on this? What exactly does it mean when someone is cursed? What are the conditions in which god would curse someone with homosexuality? How do you remove the curse? Can it come back?
Does god curse someone that is Hindu? Or Muslim? Are celibate homosexuals that are christian sort of cursed?

Homosexuals exist in every culture. Does someone that doesn't even believe in god get cursed by someone they don't even believe exists? Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1500 species of animals.....are they cursed too?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Prodigal

Can you expand on this? What exactly does it mean when someone is cursed? What are the conditions in which god would curse someone with homosexuality? How do you remove the curse? Can it come back?
Does god curse someone that is Hindu? Or Muslim? Are celibate homosexuals that are christian sort of cursed?

Homosexuals exist in every culture. Does someone that doesn't even believe in god get cursed by someone they don't even believe exists? Homosexual behavior has been observed in over 1500 species of animals.....are they cursed too?

In the passage that was quoted, Romans 1, God turned unrepentant man over to homosexual activity.

Romans 1:18-32- "18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

Here we see that all men know God. There are no true atheists. All men are idol builders and since they refuse to acknowledge Him He takes His restraining hand away and turns them over to perverseness.

I should have not used the word 'curse' in that manor. But God turns people over to this type of thing and it is in effect a curse.

BTW, all of mankind and all of the earth, including Fido, is under the curse of sin.