The Forum's Direction?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Like I said, someone better throw Jesus out of heaven! Facial hair cannot be there! That's scripture!

Well, I'm sure He cleaned up His act and shaved real close before He tried to ascend. Also, I'm sure He made sure His hair didn't touch His ears or collar. And of course He would have put on a long sleeved white shirt; a black tie; a black two or three piece American style business suit; plain black shoes with no buckles or ornamentation; and a belt without a metal buckle. Then, He would have to remove any jewelry He might have been wearing. Now if He was ultra-conservative and very strict holiness He would not even have on a necktie because that would be considered a cloth necklace. I guess He cleaned up good enough to be accepted by the Father because He later poured out the Holy Spirit from the Father.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Would short sleeves, pants on women, trimmed hair on women, facial hair on men, shorts on men, jewelry be among the things what would send one to hell in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Yes these are heaven or hell issues.

So according to you, an Apostolic man who wears t-shirts (short sleeved) and has a beard is going to hell?

Please tell us... what scriptures do you use to support this idea?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

So according to you, an Apostolic man who wears t-shirts (short sleeved) and has a beard is going to hell?

Please tell us... what scriptures do you use to support this idea?

You will never get more then the one sentence proclamation from Whole Hearted.

Which is why I enjoy hearing him on non-standard related threads where he actually talks (in a couple of sentences or more) about himself or his family. It lets me know their is a real honest person behind that name.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

So according to you, an Apostolic man who wears t-shirts (short sleeved) and has a beard is going to hell?

Please tell us... what scriptures do you use to support this idea?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I never had the intention for this to become another standard discussion Pentecost is much more than dress standards.

Bro Epley,

Then why do some Pentecostals find it necessary to bind the two together?

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Brother Epley:

I'm with you! There has been a definite negative shift in the tone of this forum...there is a consistent questioning of long-held Apostolic DOCTRINE (NOT standards, not personal convictions)...DOCTRINE...it is a classic first step of those determined to leave behind the "weights" that so easily beset them...

...it's time for the management of this forum to rename it to reflect it's anti-Apostolic leaning...maybe...

...PAFF...Previously Apostolic Friends Forum..., or
...PAFF...Post Apostolic Friends Forum...or
...PAFF...Partially Apostolic Friends Forum...

...just pick one...there needs to be fairness in labeling...

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You will never get more then the one sentence proclamation from Whole Hearted.

Which is why I enjoy hearing him on non-standard related threads where he actually talks (in a couple of sentences or more) about himself or his family. It lets me know their is a real honest person behind that name.

Well, RW, theres a mindset there that bothers me.

I love this Apostolic truth, but when we have pastors and preachers telling new converts they have to shave their beards off, they have to stop wearing T-shirts, etc... we end up putting tradition and standards on the same level as doctrine.

I have no problems with standards that have some basis in scripture, but too many of our standards are so biblically indefensible it's just mind boggling to me that clear minded people just accept them.

But if you challenge some of the ultra cons as to the scriptural foundation of some of their standards, they can get very defensive. However, they'll often maintain their unbiblical standards anyway based on the premise of "remove not the old landmarks". This is problematic, because once we start mixing biblical truth with man-made error, we end up undermining the truth.

...because too often, many will (and do) end up saying, "if they're so clearly wrong about that... maybe they're also in error when it comes to the Jesus name thing/the HG thing/ the Oneness of God, etc).

[freeatlast]

still waiting for wholehearted to post us those heaven or hell scriptures that support his teaching that facial hair ion men is a salvational issue.

tic toc

i am amazed that Keith4him's thread was so disturbing to anyone who posts here. It was in no way anti-pentecostal.

Whole Hearted, you say you came here for the entertainment. go read your your manual...it's agin entertainment ;-)

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

WH... are you going to answer the question I asked you?

(http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...0&postcount=82)

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well, RW, theres a mindset there that bothers me.

I love this Apostolic truth, but when we have pastors and preachers telling new converts they have to shave their beards off, they have to stop wearing T-shirts, etc... we end up putting tradition and standards on the same level as doctrine.

I have no problems with standards that have some basis in scripture, but too many of our standards are so biblically indefensible it's just mind boggling to me that clear minded people just accept them.

But if you challenge some of the ultra cons as to the scriptural foundation of some of their standards, they can get very defensive. However, they'll often maintain their unbiblical standards anyway based on the premise of "remove not the old landmarks". This is problematic, because once we start mixing biblical truth with man-made error, we end up undermining the truth.

...because too often, many will (and do) end up saying, "if they're so clearly wrong about that... maybe they're also in error when it comes to the Jesus name thing/the HG thing/ the Oneness of God, etc).

This is a mouthful here, folks..........very well said, TR, and so true.