Loren Yadon's: Tragedies of War????

[Billy Boy]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'll put it this way:

If I was a member of whatever board was voting on the decision to merge, I would have voted no.

Which organization was not a part of the body of Christ? (according to your vote?)

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'll put it this way:

If I was a member of whatever board was voting on the decision to merge, I would have voted no.

TR, a lot of time has gone by since the early days of the church. Much false doctrine has crept in and is now considered "orthodoxy". Although God does want us to worship him in Spirit and in Truth, don't you think that God considers these things and lovingly guides folks into the truth?

Nothing about the way the PAJC discommunicated their brethren through the implimentation of AS leads me to believe that they were following the mind of God. It (the AS) was and is a Phariseeical divisive platform served up with a bad attitude.

[Sweet Pea]

I will make one statement and then step away from this thread. I believe there are others out there that will agree with me....

LY was NOT let go from CLC for the message he preached at Landmark. LY and KH had a gentleman's agreement regarding that... The straw that broke the camel's back was after he taught the PCI doctrine in his college classroom. He had been asked (told) not to teach that doctrine to the students. Within just a couple of days, he once again taught it - not as history, but as the plan of salvation.... THAT was the straw. Yes, KH made statements regarding his mother being brought into it - but the firing was over direct disobedience in what he was asked not to teach to the CLC students. And yes - his being asked not to teach PCI was probably a "political" move. I will say this - LY was/is a fabulous teacher - never forget some of his Wed PM Bible Studies - just good basic Christian living!

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I will make one statement and then step away from this thread. I believe there are others out there that will agree with me....

LY was NOT let go from CLC for the message he preached at Landmark. LY and KH had a gentleman's agreement regarding that... The straw that broke the camel's back was after he taught the PCI doctrine in his college classroom. He had been asked (told) not to teach that doctrine to the students. Within just a couple of days, he once again taught it - not as history, but as the plan of salvation.... THAT was the straw. Yes, KH made statements regarding his mother being brought into it - but the firing was over direct disobedience in what he was asked not to teach to the CLC students. And yes - his being asked not to teach PCI was probably a "political" move. I will say this - LY was/is a fabulous teacher - never forget some of his Wed PM Bible Studies - just good basic Christian living!

If that's true Sweet Pea, then KH lied to me to my face. Why would he do that? He had no reason to lie to me. If it was because of the other deal then all he had to do was say so and I would have accepted it. But he didn't say that he said something altogether different. I told him I was very disturbed by the firing and I asked him straight out, "Why did you fire LY?" and he told me it was because of the sermon and for 'dragging my mother into it" and he was very agitated when he said the latter. I think it was a moment of emotional and unintentional honesty. And certainly deniable since it was just the two of us alone in his office. I'll never forget that moment SP, it crushed me. It was a defining moment in my life. I didn't hear the classroom story until later and it smacked of a damage control cover story for Kool-Aid consumers, which fits the pattern of how things went down too often in those days. Perhaps things have changed and it's not that way any more.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

If that's true Sweet Pea, then KH lied to me to my face. Why would he do that? He had no reason to lie to me. If it was because of the other deal then all he had to do was say so and I would have accepted it. But he didn't say that he said something altogether different. I told him I was very disturbed by the firing and I asked him straight out, "Why did you fire LY?" and he told me it was because of the sermon and for 'dragging my mother into it" and he was very agitated when he said the latter. I think it was a moment of emotional and unintentional honesty. And certainly deniable since it was just the two of us alone in his office. I'll never forget that moment SP, it crushed me. It was a defining moment in my life. I didn't hear the classroom story until later and it smacked of a damage control cover story for Kool-Aid consumers, which fits the pattern of how things went down too often in those days. Perhaps things have changed and it's not that way any more.

I heard LY tell of the situation. And I am in agreement with what you have posted.
There was never a mention of teaching something he shouldn't have taught.
He was held in high regard as a teacher, it was most definatley over his sermon on grace and liberty.

[On The Wheel]

Originally Posted by sandie

I heard LY tell of the situation. And I am in agreement with what you have posted.
There was never a mention of teaching something he shouldn't have taught.
He was held in high regard as a teacher, it was most definatley over his sermon on grace and liberty.

If LY said something was so, it's so. Also, I can't conceive any scenario whereby he would willing teach doctrines that had been expressly forbidden.

He is and was a man of honor and integrity.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sandie

I heard LY tell of the situation. And I am in agreement with what you have posted.
There was never a mention of teaching something he shouldn't have taught.
He was held in high regard as a teacher, it was most definatley over his sermon on grace and liberty.

Would you happen to have a transcript of that sermon?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Would you happen to have a transcript of that sermon?

I don't think it's available.
Others here have asked about getting a tape or trancscript and so far nobody has offered i

[Fiyahstarter]

These are great posts!!!

[mizpeh]

We've all done and said things we regret.