If Conservative Oneness Pentecostals Governed America...

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Originally Posted by Eliseus

I would like one of the "anti-Christian America" crowd to answer just a simple question...

What precept of God's Word would you hate to see enforced in society?

I don't mean what nut case's looney interpretation of God's Word, I mean what plain, simple LAW OF GOD do you find so objectionable?

what a silly think to ask a bunch of christians.

Originally Posted by Chan

Society WILL be governed by the principles of God's word - it's just that the Bible says it will be JESUS who establishes that government and NOT the Church! You commit rebellion and treason against God by even suggesting that it's the Church's job to take over governments and social institutions when you know full well that Jesus NEVER commanded that. He commanded the Church to go into all the world and make DISCIPLES, not take over governments and social institutions. We're here in this wicked world as AMBASSADORS, not as an invading army!

Well, sir, I would respectfully request to substantiate your charges against me of "rebellion and treason against God" by bringing forth the evidence that I have "suggested that it's the church's job to take over governments and social institutions".

Secondly, how could I be committing "Treason and rebellion" if there is no law of God to be enforced at the present, at least until Jesus and Thomas Ice stand in the Knesset and promulgate such prohibitions?

Thirdly, Jesus commanded His disciples to "make disciples of all nations" and to "preach the gospel to every creature".

Does the President of the United States qualify as being one of "every creature"? Does the Supreme Court?

Does America qualify as one of "all nations"?

Does Psalm 2 even exist in your Bible, Chan? What do you make of it?

How do RULERS "embrace the Son" while at the same time committing crimes against God?

Sir, I really think you do not understand the issues here. I really think you have a bogey-man idea of what "theonomy" and "Christian Reconstruction" are all about.

But, just to humour you...

What exactly do you object to? Specifics, please.

As in, "if chapter x verse y of the Bible were to become operative law in America, it would be horribly ungodly and unchristian."

Please provide the chapter and verse you are so opposed to.

Also, as I stated in my previous post, I do not think most folks here on this forum have given enough serious thought to the Biblical distinctions between ecclesial government and civil government to be able to engage this topic rationally and Biblically. Thus, we have people claiming essentially that "in a Christian America people will go to jail for wearing short sleeves..."

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who is thomas ice?

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LOL! Essias just said he thinks someone ELSE is seeing a "boogyman"!

am I the only one who finds that extremely funny?

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CC1, I call for apology with the rest.

This was not called for.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

The news article below about a situation in Pakistan made me think this is what we could expect if Conservative Oneness Pentecostals ever governed the USA.
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Clerics: Pakistan official's hug a 'sin'
Radical clerics want her punished after hugging parachuting instructor
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:45 p.m. CT April 9, 2007
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Islamic clerics at a radical mosque in Pakistan's capital have demanded the tourism minister be fired for hugging a foreign man, saying she committed a "great sin."

Minister of Tourism Nilofar Bakhtiar rejected the Taliban-style edict Monday and said her family and friends were concerned for her safety.

Two clerics at Islamabad's Red Mosque demanded her dismissal Sunday, two days after setting up a court to deliver Islamic justice in a bold challenge to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a U.S. ally who has promised to promote moderate Islam.

The mosque's chief cleric threatened last week to stage suicide attacks if authorities tried to raid the mosque.

Photos in the Pakistani media have shown Bakhtiar being helped by a male instructor during a charity parachute jump in France last month to raise money for victims of the devastating October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan. Another picture shows a woman — apparently Bakhtiar — hugging the instructor.

'Forbidden act'
This was "an illegitimate and forbidden act," the clerics said in their edict, or fatwa.

"Without any doubt, she has committed a great sin," the fatwa said. It declared that Muslim women must stay at home and must not venture out uncovered.

The fatwa demanded that Bakhtiar be fired, given another unspecified punishment and that her family "force her to ask for forgiveness so that she does not repeat this un-Islamic act."

Bakhtiar called the edict "baseless" and accused Pakistani newspapers of publishing "distorted" captions with the pictures. She said she had jumped without any previous training and her French instructor had just given her a pat.

"It was just a pat because he felt so proud of me," Bakhtiar said. "I felt very happy also because it was affectionate and very encouraging."

The Red Mosque's hard-line clerics — long alleged to have ties with militants — have started a Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in defiance of state authority in the relatively liberal Pakistani capital.

One-month ultimatum
They have warned nearby video and music shop owners to close their businesses and abducted a woman and her relatives for allegedly running a brothel, forcing her to make a public confession.

On Friday, the clerics announced the establishment of an Islamic court and gave the government a one-month ultimatum to close brothels and video shops.

Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz were briefed about the Red Mosque on Monday, the state Associated Press of Pakistan news agency said.

"The two leaders directed that strict measures be taken to enforce the law," the agency reported, without elaborating.

The government has said it wants to resolve the situation through negotiations, amid concerns that a confrontation at the mosque could lead to bloodshed. Seminaries associated with the mosque have thousands of students.

The chief of Pakistan's ruling party, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, held talks with the mosque's leaders over the weekend.

What disturbs me is that American Christians...in particular the liberal ones, make light of this and don't see that this is a growing threat and trend by Islamics who want to impose Sharia law in Canada and Britain and you can be sure we are next

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chan

If you want an example of what it might be like for a conservative Christian to run the country, watch the movie Escape From L. A.

http://www.amazon.com/Escape-L-Kurt-...6229256&sr=8-1

So who is running the country now? Liberal Christians? Will this nation be better if liberal Christians ran the country? Has Conservative Christians ever ran this country?

It's absurd to assume that if Conservative Christians ran the nation it would be like Pakistan under radical islamics or escape from LA. Conservative Christian is not synonymous with "force everyone to convert or be imprisoned"

[Monkeyman]

Lots of frowny people yelling into microphones.
CC1 would move to China.
FoxNews would rule the airwaves and put really kooky anchorpersons on...wait, that's been done.
Omar the Tentmaker would put Gap out of business.
New fuel for vehicles..."Vote no for TV advertising" printed materials

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What disturbs me is that American Christians...in particular the liberal ones, make light of this and don't see that this is a growing threat and trend by Islamics who want to impose Sharia law in Canada and Britain and you can be sure we are next

Forget religon for just a minute and think strictly political. It amazes me how strangley silent all of the liberal politicans are in Western countries about the treatment of women under Islamic law, in particular Sharia law.

Where are all the women's libbers in this? I would think they would be the first ones protecting Western culture from Islamic influence.

The scary thing is that if immigration trends continue as they are going today there are some European countries who will have Islamic majorities in their population in the next 30-50 years. Italy being the main one.

How ironic that the home of the Roman Catholic Church might, in this century, be majority Muslim and elect a Muslim government.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So who is running the country now? Liberal Christians? Will this nation be better if liberal Christians ran the country? Has Conservative Christians ever ran this country?

It's absurd to assume that if Conservative Christians ran the nation it would be like Pakistan under radical islamics or escape from LA. Conservative Christian is not synonymous with "force everyone to convert or be imprisoned"

Non-Christians are running the country.

This country (or any country) will never be "better" until Jesus returns to earth to establish His own reign from Jerusalem.

As for your statement, "Conservative Christian is not synonymous with 'force everyone to convert or be imprisoned'" there are conservative Christians who would propose something very much along those lines - just as there are "liberal" Christians that would bring about a leftist/socialist nanny state.