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Old 04-01-2009, 02:24 PM
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Old 04-01-2009, 02:37 PM
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PO I understand where you are coming from and had to deal with the same problem when I did the costumes for our drama.

The director won because when doing a drama you have to "sell" the idea of who she is, to set her apart. We even put her in red.
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Old 04-01-2009, 02:46 PM
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PO I understand where you are coming from and had to deal with the same problem when I did the costumes for our drama.

The director won because when doing a drama you have to "sell" the idea of who she is, to set her apart. We even put her in red.
I do understand that. That's why I used the shimmery satin fabric for her gown and drape.

I didn't do the red because I have Pontius Pilate in a burgundy gown with gold braiding, gold sleeves, gold tunic and a gold leaf headband. (Renda, remember that costume I told you I was making a long time ago and only had enough of the burgundy for a gown with no sleeves. You suggested adding the gold for the sleeves and tunic! I found a use for it! )

Also, the red and purple were usually used by the wealthiest and that was another consideration. (I guess I'm being too technical - lol)

I just think the shorter sleeves are making her look more Roman or Greek and I'm not good, for myself, with that.

But, I will deliver what they want. I know it's not really that big of a deal for anyone but me.
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I do understand that. That's why I used the shimmery satin fabric for her gown and drape.

I didn't do the red because I have Pontius Pilate in a burgundy gown with gold braiding, gold sleeves, gold tunic and a gold leaf headband. (Renda, remember that costume I told you I was making a long time ago and only had enough of the burgundy for a gown with no sleeves. You suggested adding the gold for the sleeves and tunic! I found a use for it! )

Also, the red and purple were usually used by the wealthiest and that was another consideration. (I guess I'm being too technical - lol)

I just think the shorter sleeves are making her look more Roman or Greek and I'm not good, for myself, with that.

But, I will deliver what they want. I know it's not really that big of a deal for anyone but me.
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Just go into full creative mode and dress in her a Cat Woman costume.
(The men in the audience will appreciate that......)
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Just go into full creative mode and dress in her a Cat Woman costume.
(The men in the audience will appreciate that......)
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:28 PM
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Hmmm...I don't know. The first was at Capernaum, and the second at Bethany. They appear to be two different events. (To me)

The only confusing point is that John refers to Mary, sister of Lazarus as "that Mary" which anointed Jesus' feet BEFORE he accounts Lazarus' death, and the subsequent account of Mary anointing Jesus' feet at the house in Bethany.

I wonder if Mary anointed His feet twice? At the Pharisee's house in Capernaum, and again after Lazarus was raised from the dead?

I'm going to have to do some more reading now. This is starting to get interesting!

I don't think any of the scriptures ever say that Mary, sister of Lazarus was "Mary called Magdalene", or that "Mary called Magdalene" anointed Jesus' feet. Maybe that's just a common assumption?
A few points I ran across:

Mary of Magdala, one of the most prominent of the Galilean women who followed Jesus.

Magdala, was an important agricultural, fishing, fish-curing, shipbuilding and trading center, a city of considerable wealth.

We do not know when or where Jesus met Mary of Magdala. It is not said that he visited the city, though its environs are mentioned (Mark 6:53; Matt. 13:34)

Neither do we understand Mary's condition when she first met Jesus. It is said that seven demons had gone out of her. Since demon possession was at that time associated with both physical and moral-spiritual sickness, Luke's statement does not offer us much help. The reference to "seven demons" probably emphasizes either the seriousness of her condition (Luke 8:30) or the recurrent nature of it (Luke 11:26).

The is no solid reason for assuming that Mary had been a harlot and therefore is to be identified with the sinful women of Luke 7:36-50. Luke surely did not intend this identification, as he introduces Mary Magdelene in a formal way in 8:2, with no suggestion that she has been presented in 7:36-50. It is furthermore, doubtful whether Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward, would have traveled around Galilee (Luke 8:1-3) with a notorious courtesan.

Neither is Mary Magdalene to be identified with Mary of Bethany (John 11:1-12:8; Luke 10:38-42). The former was a Galilean (Mark 15:40-41; Luke 8:1-3); the latter, with Mary and Lazarus, lived in Judea, in the village of Bethany, just east of Jerusalem (John 11:1; on Luke's location of their residence).

There is no suggestion in the narratives about Mary of Bethany that she had been delivered from a serious physical or moral illness. The aggressive role of Mary Magdelene in the distaff side of the gospel story contrasts sharply with the contemplative bent of Mary of Bethany (John 11; Luke 10:38-42).

The identification of Mary Magdalene, the sinner of Luke 7:36-50, and Mary of Bethany, widely accepted in the Western church from about the sixth century (but rejected in the Eastern), probably arose because of the similarities in the stories of the anointing of Jesus by women contained in Luke 7:36-50; John 12:1-8, and the unfounded supposition that Mary Magdalene's "seven demons" were demons of unchastity. The unsavory reputation of Magdala may have helped blacken her character.

Mary Magdalene's devotion to Jesus and his cause is clearly underscored by her practical service. She participated in his itinerating mission in Galilee and contributed financially to the venture (Luke 8:1-3; Mark 15:40-41). She was present at the Crucifixion (Mark 16:1; Luke 23:55-24:1), reported the fact of the empty tomb and the message of the angels to the Eleven (Luke 24:1-11), and was the recipient of a personal appearance by Jesus after the resurrection (John 20:11-18).

The Interpreters Dictionary of The Bible, (pages 288-289).
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Neither do we understand Mary's condition when she first met Jesus. It is said that seven demons had gone out of her. Since demon possession was at that time associated with both physical and moral-spiritual sickness, Luke's statement does not offer us much help. The reference to "seven demons" probably emphasizes either the seriousness of her condition (Luke 8:30) or the recurrent nature of it (Luke 11:26).
I believe that the possession is the same today (both physical and moral-spiritual sickness) as back then, so I differ with the writer's view.

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The is no solid reason for assuming that Mary had been a harlot and therefore is to be identified with the sinful women of Luke 7:36-50. Luke surely did not intend this identification, as he introduces Mary Magdelene in a formal way in 8:2, with no suggestion that she has been presented in 7:36-50. It is furthermore, doubtful whether Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward, would have traveled around Galilee (Luke 8:1-3) with a notorious courtesan.

The Interpreters Dictionary of The Bible, (pages 288-289).
Here, the writer is assuming he knows the history of Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward and/or the delivering power of the Gospel. Perhaps Joanna saw the magnificent change or believed the story of Mary Magdelene's deliverance and befriended her. Perhaps Joanna suffered some malady/sin herself and could very well have befriended Mary Magdelene for that very reason. There is room for this view in the NT Church!
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The Bible does say she was caught in the act....
YEAH I always wondered why SHE was the only one they brought to Jesus. Seeing as the law stated they BOTH should be stoned. YET WHERE WAS THE MAN????
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I'm in charge of sewing and preparing the costumes for our Easter program. I've been doing costumes for years and I have a question. The Director and I are not arguing, just discussing, for the record.

Background:

I like to be historically accurate when I prepare a costume. The play is a narration, some script and a musical.

We have one part where the women, taken in adultery, is thrown at Jesus' feet.

Problem:

The Director wants me to shorten the women's sleeves because she wants her to have bling, bling showing on her wrists. I don't have a problem with that, but I'm not in agreement with the shortened sleeves. In John 8:3 the Scribes and Pharisees bring her to Jesus quoting Moses's law - that bears out that she is a Hebrew. She is saying that this is Mary Magdelene in Luke 8:2 and I don't believe it is the same woman.

I don't think just because she committed adultery that she was a Hoochie Mama. LOL! I think she would dress as the Hebrews dressed. I don't see her as adopting the dress of the Romans or Greeks, per se.

So, would you shorten the sleeves or leave them long? I have to do what the Director wants, but this just bugs me!
You often have to compromise "historical accuracy" sometimes to make a visual statement in a drama. The "bling-bling" can be a powerful visual in a darkened auditorium with lights on the woman in question. The shortened sleeves may highlight that dramatically as well.

The question, I suppose, is how important is this visual. It can be striking, but is it needed? Also, how about loose sleeves at the forearms? That way, at a key moment she could raise her arms and the sleeves drop away revealing the sparkle.
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