Does the Holy Ghost help you resist temptation?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Falla39

My SB neighbor across the alley, told me yrs ago that her daughers wanted to be baptized. She asked what I thought. She listened as I told her why we baptize in Jesus Name.

She promptly took her two daughters to her mother, a local SB member, who told them that the Baptist church was a more structured church, etc.etc. They, of course were both baptized in the Baptist chuch. They married a few yrs later, just months apart. The oldest married a known alcoholic, who she had gone with for three yrs. He told her he would quit drinking. instead he divorced her not too long afterwards. Telling her regularly, after his drinking sprees, that he didn't know why he married her.

The younger married a Catholic and her children are being raised Catholic. Reckon why they didn't marry Baptists and have their kids raised SB. After all, Grandma told them it was more structed than the Pentecostal church.

Both the mother, across the alley and her SB mother, would call me, and my neighbor still callsl me for prayer, when things go wrong. Why don't they call their SB family. This has been the story for many yrs. Same with my late parents. Many people would call them for prayer, but would never darken the church door where he pastored.

But there were always those who followed Jesus for the fishes and the loaves. But how many of them were at the cross. How many at Pentecost.

I wasn't suggesting you leave. Where did you get that idea!! I just wondered why you would even want to be on an Apostolic Pentecostal forum. After all, you already seem to have all the answers you want, that's all!

Falla39

I got the idea you might want me to leave when you said, and I quote, "What in the world are you doing posting on an APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL forum!" That felt like a nudge from my vantage point.

You continue to post these horror stories of baptist people (or otherwise) who live horrible lives and only find hope in pentecostalism, ignoring the fact that there are just as many, per capita, if not more stories of pentecostals who are struggling with identical issues. This is a human problem, not a denominational problem.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I just read, "How to win friends and influence people". What, it's not working?

Are you sure you opened it? Seemed like you only read the ISBN number.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Falla39

The Spirit that we as Pentecostals receive, will be poured out on all flesh
as the Spirit gives the utterance, if believed and obeyed. It is to whosoever
will. Let Him that is athirst, come and drink of the water of life freely.

In my 70 yrs, I have never seen anyone receive the Holy Ghost who did not
speak in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance. Neither have I seen
a newborn baby that didn't make a certain sound when he/she was firstborn.

Falla39

I know these grinded out cliches are useful to some but the reality is, "Not all speak with tongues" (and please don't say that I CO 12:30 means a different kind of tongue), but we DO know that the Holy Spirit indwells every believer (I John 4:15).

In my fewer than 70 years, I HAVE seen people filled with the Holy Spirit that do not speak in tongues. I see it nearly every Sunday and many other days, as well.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I know these grinded out cliches are useful to some but the reality is, "Not all speak with tongues" (and please don't say that I CO 12:30 means a different kind of tongue), but we DO know that the Holy Spirit indwells every believer (I John 4:15).

In my fewer than 70 years, I HAVE seen people filled with the Holy Spirit that do not speak in tongues. I see it nearly every Sunday and many other days, as well.

He is speaking of the gift of "tongues and interpretation" in I Cor. 12:30, which you cannot do without having received the gift of the Holy Ghost.

"...do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

He would not have included "interpret", if he wasn't speaking of tongues and interpretation. I've been used in both, but I know some that only operate in one or the other. Context, context.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I got the idea you might want me to leave when you said, and I quote, "What in the world are you doing posting on an APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL forum!" That felt like a nudge from my vantage point.

You continue to post these horror stories of baptist people (or otherwise) who live horrible lives and only find hope in pentecostalism, ignoring the fact that there are just as many, per capita, if not more stories of pentecostals who are struggling with identical issues. This is a human problem, not a denominational problem.

If you think I dislike any other people, Baptist or otherwise, you are wrong!
The love of God shed abroad in my heart by the HOLY GHOST compels me
to love all people. How could Jesus love those who crucified Him when HE
wanted the very best for them. Because the Spirit of the Father was in Him.
How could Stephen ask "Lay not this sin to their charge" when they
stoned him to death. He was full of the "Spirit of the Father" also.

What is griveous is when you know they could have better lives for them-
selves and their families, but they reject it. Then when you see the things
they go through, because they refused to listen, it hurts you. Just as parents
whose children are warned against things and then they go ahead and do
those things. They get into great trouble and it grieves the parents and
grandparents so much.. That's why I have told these "horror stories" as you
call them. They are horrible stories because they did not listen to those that
loved them, with the Love of God.

Falla39

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I know these grinded out cliches are useful to some but the reality is, "Not all speak with tongues" (and please don't say that I CO 12:30 means a different kind of tongue), but we DO know that the Holy Spirit indwells every believer (I John 4:15).

You throw our so much it's difficult to comment. I will go back to your response to my other post later but what we know is the Holy Spirit indwells every Spirit-filled believer. The Samaritans in Acts 8 were believers but they were not Spirit-filled UNTIL Peter and John came and prayed for them. They believed the gospel that Philip preached and they were baptized in the name of the Lord BUT they had not received the Spirit.

In my fewer than 70 years, I HAVE seen people filled with the Holy Spirit that do not speak in tongues. I see it nearly every Sunday and many other days, as well

And now the reason I answered this post first, How do you know when someone has been filled with the Holy Spirit?

As for "do all speak with tongues"...Paul is speaking of the gift of tongues not the initial evidence of tongues. I don't have the gift of tongues but I did speak with tongues when I was filled with the Spirit for the first time.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He is speaking of the gift of "tongues and interpretation" in I Cor. 12:30, which you cannot do without having received the gift of the Holy Ghost.

"...do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

He would not have included "interpret", if he wasn't speaking of tongues and interpretation. I've been used in both, but I know some that only operate in one or the other. Context, context.

No, no, the two are not necessarily inter-connected. There's nothing to point they were. The question before was " Do all have the gift of healing?" Does that mean "Healing" and "Tongues" are connected? Of course not. Furthermore, ALL tongues in the church are to be interpreted. Period. That's I Corinthians 14. Well, unless you're saying that there's an initial tongue and then always a different tongue after that. See how hard you have to stretch scripture to make all this work?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You throw our so much it's difficult to comment. I will go back to your response to my other post later but what we know is the Holy Spirit indwells every Spirit-filled believer. The Samaritans in Acts 8 were believers but they were not Spirit-filled UNTIL Peter and John came and prayed for them. They believed the gospel that Philip preached and they were baptized in the name of the Lord BUT they had not received the Spirit.

And now the reason I answered this post first, How do you know when someone has been filled with the Holy Spirit?

As for "do all speak with tongues"...Paul is speaking of the gift of tongues not the initial evidence of tongues. I don't have the gift of tongues but I did speak with tongues when I was filled with the Spirit for the first time.

Yes, I understand how it might be difficult to comment.

So you're saying the Holy Spirit "Indwells" every believer, but they haven't been "Filled"???

Come again?

Your twist on I Corinthians 12 is the typical pentecostal take, which is required in order to escape the obvious statement of verse 30.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Yes, I understand how it might be difficult to comment.

So you're saying the Holy Spirit "Indwells" every believer, but they haven't been "Filled"???

Come again?

Your twist on I Corinthians 12 is the typical pentecostal take, which is required in order to escape the obvious statement of verse 30.

I have a question about something that I have not studied much on.

I believe that 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 are about the same type of tongues. 1 Corinthians 14 gives some rules on how and when to speak in that type of tongues. Do the accounts of tongues in Acts line up with the rules from 1 Corinthians 14? If they don't, why don't they?