A Crumbling UPC 'Fesses Up, AI is not working

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Why did you PERCEIVE it as very random and out of place???

Because there was no explanation, just a random song posted and we were supposed to interpret (guess) what you meant by it.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Perhaps because the foundation of man-made organizations that reveal weaknesses and faults, as this thread is about, should never be considered our foundation, but Christ instead.

Amen, Bro. Blume,
If our HOPE is in anything else, we will not stand! All else is sinking sand!

Falla39

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Amen, Bro. Blume,
If our HOPE is in anything else, we will not stand! All else is sinking sand!

Falla39

Well, when people just hint as to what they mean, anybody can interpret it any old way. So, sometimes explaining things outright is better.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by ILG

Because there was no explanation, just a random song posted and we were supposed to interpret (guess) what you meant by it.

If the words didn't explain it, including the bolded, just skip it! You may not
have understood it, but I feel sure others did!

I mean no offense!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by ILG

Well, when people just hint as to what they mean, anybody can interpret it any old way. So, sometimes explaining things outright is better.

I just wrote to a brother in the Lord about the thoughts of vague and nebulous messages, and so I prefer bluntness. lol Paul said he used great plainness of speech in the New covenant ministry since it was the Old that was veiled and unclear.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I just wrote to a brother in the Lord about the thoughts of vague and nebulous messages, and so I prefer bluntness. lol Paul said he used great plainness of speech in the New covenant ministry since it was the Old that was veiled and unclear.

[Caesar]

Originally Posted by DAII

Just another UPCI preacher who signs the affirmation statement untruthfully.

Sorry.

Not licensed with any organization.

If you are taking from my earlier statement that I am a member of the UPC, let me clarify. I am a member of a church pastored by a licensed minister of the UPC.

I own 4 TV's and enjoy watching all of them. I could never sign the affirmation statement (not that it has stopped most).

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Bernard:



things like what ... no beards or facial hair?

How long is the delay on skirts? How long with the live-in boyfriend?

I have a real problem with DKB's apparent linkage here between "live-in-sexual-partners" and the "cultural" things that many in the UPC seek to enforce.

The Bible is quite clear about infidelity and promiscuity. I have yet to find anything in the Bible forbidding women to trim their hair or to wear feminine "pant suits."

Still, it's nice to see these kinds of discussions. Some of DKB's forebears would have been scared to death to sit down and have this kind of discussion in public.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I read it again and I am not getting from it what some of you are. I am reading that there are some very important issues that need to be delt with among new converts (like fornication).

Then there are other, less serious issues that new converts grow into along the lines of "Apostolic Identity".

Thirdly, there are things without Biblical precedent at all that we have based solely on preference or tradition that can simply remain unaddressed, given there is plenty regarding Christian lifestyle in Scripture and there is no need to place a heavier burden than necessary on the people.

This is pretty much the way it's always been. Outside the fornication reference there were no definitions given regarding standards etc. I do know DKB has voiced opinion in favor of allowing facial hair on men, so I guess that may be in the "preference" category.

Originally Posted by pelathais

I have a real problem with DKB's apparent linkage here between "live-in-sexual-partners" and the "cultural" things that many in the UPC seek to enforce.

The Bible is quite clear about infidelity and promiscuity. I have yet to find anything in the Bible forbidding women to trim their hair or to wear feminine "pant suits."

Still, it's nice to see these kinds of discussions. Some of DKB's forebears would have been scared to death to sit down and have this kind of discussion in public.

I don't see that he is linking it, I think he is drawing distinction without actually naming the issues and subject matter.

Bernard: So, therefore, since I know I am going to be making lots of demands, in a sense, through preaching, and teaching, and love, and counsel…I don’t want to add anything that’s really more cultural than biblical. I have enough on my hands that’s biblical without having to put my cultural, or even personal, expectations. So, a lot of things I delay. A lot of things I don’t even deal with. And, I think your appeal…when it goes more to the Bible…that’s your best chance of that convert changing their way of life.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Why did you PERCEIVE it as very random and out of place???

Whoop, whoop! Falla's on her toes.



I think that as a long-time pastor's wife, Falla probably knows how futile it is to expect people to "hang on" to institutional mandates and man made traditions. We need something more eternal to serve as our anchor and refuge.

I respect those that choose to follow the "AI" thing. I have no real problems with that. Just don't anybody suppose that "AI" serves as "evidence" that one is on the Rock. The only "evidence" that you're "on the Rock" is actually being on the Rock.