THIS is True Love!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Revisionist history.

Jesus is the only name whereby we must be saved!

No, no "revisionism" from me. As I said before, that's been your crime. You can't simply repeat what I've already said and call it an "argument."

Name one person who was saved before 1937, -saved by the laundry list you gave at the start. Name one single person. There's no one because no one believed in obeying your laundry list until about that time.

Jesus, however, has been saving since the foundation of the world!

And yes, Jesus is the only name whereby we must be save... did you actually read Acts 2:21-36? Good for you.

Jesus is the One Who saves. He is the only One who saved BEFORE 1937, and He is the only One Who has saved since 1937. Your laundry list really needs to go to the cleaners (Isaiah 1:18; Ephesians 1:6-8; Revelation 7:14).

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

God bless you, Bro. Hutchison.

He's being nice to try and get you to lighten up and get over yourself... only he's too much of a gentleman to put it quite that way. He really does care for you. He's a great guy.

I care for you too, Bro. I care enough to point out your doctrinal and historical errors and to try and persuade to put Jesus Christ on the Throne in your life - where He belongs and NOT that laundry list.

Whereas Scott might be concerned that you'll be scared away by the resistance you've generated here, I think you probably enjoy the tussle.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by faithit166

you pulled out one scripture and stopped there but dont worry i helped fix it for you, your welcome wouldnt want to confuse anyone with a false doctrine amen

Haha, thank goodness that the Lord has you to help interpret His word!

It was two scriptures, but why confuse the situation with the facts?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Pel - my great-grandfather was preaching the basic Acts 2:38 message prior to WWI.
There is a book somewhere out there from Pentecostal Publishing House that references this.
I have it here somewhere, I'll try to locate it.

AD Urshan was preaching it before 1900 - at least a kernel of the message. He, along with so many others, was just coming to an understanding of it.

Opie Deuce, however, was preaching a laundry list of Do's and Don'ts. The most recent "Don't" was that women cannot be saved if they trim or cut their hair. The oldest teaching that I've been able to find on this is 1937 - S.G. Norris. This is the reason for my challenge involving "about 1937." This was about the earliest date that we could say OP2's doctrine had begun to be preached. That, and the way he called Sister Haney a "Jezebel."

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I listen to a lot of you pretend-Apostolics talk about grace and love and forgiveness and acceptance and all kinds of touchy-gooey stuff that you think is love. But accepting someone as they are and never demanding repentance, never telling them the truth of their condition IS NOT LOVE!!!

So I just want to tell all of you that:


...have not obeyed Acts 2:38,

...that do not teach it as the ONLY way to salvation,

...who don't demand that trinitarians be re-baptized,

...you men that think it's ok to grow your hair long and wear shorts,

...you women who cut your hair, wear makeup, and wear pants,

...who have not embraced the Oneness of God, ...

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by faithit166

you pulled out one scripture and stopped there but dont worry i helped fix it for you, your welcome wouldnt want to confuse anyone with a false doctrine amen

Maybe you can help interpret this passage, Faith....

Romans10: 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Haha, thank goodness that the Lord has you to help interpret His word!

It was two scriptures, but why confuse the situation with the facts?

gotta thank god for the word

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I listen to a lot of you pretend-Apostolics talk about grace and love and forgiveness and acceptance and all kinds of touchy-gooey stuff that you think is love. But accepting someone as they are and never demanding repentance, never telling them the truth of their condition IS NOT LOVE!!!

So I just want to tell all of you that:


...have not obeyed Acts 2:38,

...that do not teach it as the ONLY way to salvation,

...who don't demand that trinitarians be re-baptized,

...you men that think it's ok to grow your hair long and wear shorts,

...you women who cut your hair, wear makeup, and wear pants,

...who have not embraced the Oneness of God,


I love all of you SO much that I must tell you, if any of that list described you, you will burn in a devil's hell for all eternity. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and you will be one of them!! You won't care about your makeup and jewelry and shorts then!! Jesus will not trip through the aisles of a dark movie theatre to include you in the rapture!!!!

Now THAT is true love!!!

Try quoting 2 different members saying nobody needs to repent

[pelathais]

... though I should add - the "shorts on men" thing is even more recent than that. It's only become in vogue since the invention of the popular "Cargo Short."

[Praxeas]

I always find it rather silly for someone to start a thread like this and when it turns into a doctrinal discussion of Holiness standards the complaining starts

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Try quoting 2 different members saying nobody needs to repent

What are you talking about?