Confidentiality of Tithes - Page 9

Jason B · #81 01-04-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is the TRUTH - well - not THE Truth - like y'all say but you know what I mean...It is really TRUE!!! LOL
The NON-GIVERS are the big mouths that want to know what the church is DOIN' WIT DA MONEY!!!
I had some big heifer jump up one night in a business meeting and shout - I want to know how the money in this church is handled!
I said - Well, It is handled JUST FINE! Were you particularly asking about what YOU gave because we have not found ANY record of anything you have given thus far!
I announced the second time that ONLY MEMBERS were allowed to speak at the church business meeting and dismissed her to leave the building! She was a big mouth and a trouble maker and caused trouble every where she went and didn't give a red cent!

What right do you have to call someone a heifer. You call yourself a bishop but you biblically you are unqualified. You speak againt those who keep standards as "self righteous pharisees" but it would be hard to find someone with a more self righteous spirit than you constantly manifest. You come across as pompous, arrogant, and overly concerned with what others think about you. You seem to crave the religious spot light but can't make it on your own so you seek to associate yourself with others. No one on AFF touts their own merits and worthiness more than you. You lack biblical support for many of your positions,but it doesn't phase you since perception is more important than truth. I wish you would either drop the Bishop from your name, or begin to act like one. You continually run people down, insult them, and thank God your not just like the others. Heifers, losers, tightwads, liars, and whatever else you call them. You sir need to learn what christianity is all about, it is about humility, compassion and care for others, and esteeming others better than yourself. It is about seeking to be like Christ and denying ourselves.

You need to repent of your pride and judgmental spirit, "BISHOP"

Steve Epley · #82 01-04-2012, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Brother Epley, you jumped to conclusions without answering my question. I asked you a specific question as to how you know what people are giving.

Let me rephrase that question then. How do you know how much anybody, in general, who goes to your church gives every week?

We give by envelopes. Tithes and offerings. We only recieve one offering a week. There are envelopes without names that is their priviledge. I ain't fussing the church I am attempting to pastor give very good and anything I get is more than I deserve they ain't getting their money's worth.

Jason B · #83 01-04-2012, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Perhaps she paid in cash.

You refer to your congregants (or any other human being) as 'big heifers'? You appear from your posts to be a nasty person with a horrible spirit who completely lacks compassion or love.Is this really how you want to be known? Your posts make me so very thankful that I will never, ever actually have to meet you.

Wow I didn't even know someone had already responded to that comment. Amen.

Steve Epley · #84 01-04-2012, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

What right do you have to call someone a heifer. You call yourself a bishop but you biblically you are unqualified. You speak againt those who keep standards as "self righteous pharisees" but it would be hard to find someone with a more self righteous spirit than you constantly manifest. You come across as pompous, arrogant, and overly concerned with what others think about you. You seem to crave the religious spot light but can't make it on your own so you seek to associate yourself with others. No one on AFF touts their own merits and worthiness more than you. You lack biblical support for many of your positions,but it doesn't phase you since perception is more important than truth. I wish you would either drop the Bishop from your name, or begin to act like one. You continually run people down, insult them, and thank God your not just like the others. Heifers, losers, tightwads, liars, and whatever else you call them. You sir need to learn what christianity is all about, it is about humility, compassion and care for others, and esteeming others better than yourself. It is about seeking to be like Christ and denying ourselves.

You need to repent of your pride and judgmental spirit, "BISHOP"

Ever read Romans 2:1? Might be good for devotional?

Titus2woman · #85 01-04-2012, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yep there it is no one knows what they give(which is generally little or nothing) yet they want to know where every dime they didn't give is going. You couldn't build a church on a million of them.

Wow... what an eye opener. For years I gave much of the tithe in cash. I sell livestock and produce and in the past usually Sat. were big days and most sales were in cash so dropping money in the plate and not having to go to the bank on Monday seemed easy...

So now I see that my giving was not really between me and God but that the pastor keeping track probably valued me less as there was not a 'record' of my giving.

That explains a lot about how I was treated then and how I am treated now that all my farm customers pay by paypal the day before they pick up and I always write checks because I never carry cash.

I would have never dreamed that those who are supposed to love souls talk about them behind their backs this way... Do you also poke fun at those with other struggles? I have a hard time believing that your harsh judgement only extends to those who have financial trouble. Wow, wow, wow.

I knew a lot of preachers were full of themselves but this has kind of taken it to a new level.

AreYouReady? · #86 01-04-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

We give by envelopes. Tithes and offerings. We only recieve one offering a week. There are envelopes without names that is their priviledge. I ain't fussing the church I am attempting to pastor give very good and anything I get is more than I deserve they ain't getting their money's worth.

Thank you Brother Epley.
Ok. I asked this question because I've known people who are of the belief that they should never let their "right hand know what their left hand is doing" when it comes to giving, whether it's to their church or to someone in the church who is having a rough time. Then there are people who feel that a family or an elderly person needs the money to make their rent, food, utilities and they give to that person. Doesn't God see that heart when it comes to giving?

Some people feel it is wrong to keep track of how much money they give the church, then take it off their taxes at the end of the year. They would rather just give with only the Lord and themselves knowing how much they gave.

Jason B · #87 01-04-2012, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most folks who fuss about tithes don't even pay tithes. That has been my experience.

Most folks who pay tithes don't consider the personal needs of others, that has been my experience. Many think that if someone is in need they can get aid from the church, but often times they have to go to the traditional denominational or charismatic churches to get financial help because the oneness church is barely scraping by, that has been my experience. Those who are taught to tithe are not as actively looking for someone who needs groceries, baby formula, a little help at christmas time, orphans in India, or meeting the unexpected need of a neighbor, since the must give their tithe to the storehouse. Its God's tithe and it goes to the pastor first, don't you give the tithe to your brother in need, that has been my experience.

Tithers tend to think God is their debtor, and their money has somehow assured them salvation, that has been my experience.