Innocent party

[Steve Epley]

The exception clause in Mt. is for fornication not adultery. Thus to me it refers to what my friend suggested the bethrothal period in Jewish custom.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The exception clause in Mt. is for fornication not adultery. Thus to me it refers to what my friend suggested the bethrothal period in Jewish custom.

Have to agree.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The exception clause in Mt. is for fornication not adultery. Thus to me it refers to what my friend suggested the bethrothal period in Jewish custom.

"Later the disciples asked about the incident. His answer again focused on the heart, and suggested that the law on divorce was being used simply to change an older mate for a younger one. Anyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery. It is not conformity to the letter of the law, but intent, that God judges".

(from The Teacher's Commentary. Copyright © 1987 by Chariot Victor Publishing. All rights reserved.)

[houston]

Adultery is fornication. NEXT

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by houston

Adultery is fornication. NEXT

If you had only written that before Jesus and Paul made a difference they might would have known better.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you had only written that before Jesus and Paul made a difference they might would have known better.

Steve, adultery and fornication are derivatives of the same word.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by houston

Steve, adultery and fornication are derivatives of the same word.

They most certainly are not. SAME act true the those committing the acts are not the same. Jesus twice made the distinction as did Paul.

[DanShaf]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If you had only written that before Jesus and Paul made a difference they might would have known better.

[DanShaf]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

I am not laughing at anyone,as I do believe in the sincerity of many who hold this point of view (innocent party) I think the wit of Bro Epley is humorous..Unless I am on the receiving end of course!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by DanShaf

In John 20:23 Jesus was giving authority to His disciples to establish the doctrine of the NT church.This does not give us the authority to override established doctrine concerning marriage. Bro.Epley is certainly using wisdom (IMO) in not advising someone to divorce..We must PREACH..and let those that hear do whatsoever they will!

Jesus states... and let's take it literally for what it says...

John 20:21-23 (KJV)
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

For clarity...

John 20:21-23 (ESV)
"21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

I have to take it for what it says. I have to ask you: Where does it speak of establishing doctrine in this text??? Essentially Jesus is speaking about the Apostles being granted the very authority of Christ Himself to forgive sin upon receiving the Holy Ghost. Look at what Christ, the Son of Man, could do on earth:

Luke 5:20
And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.

Luke 7:48
And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

Matthew 9:6
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Mark 2:10
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

Luke 5:24
But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.

Those that have the Holy Ghost, and walk after the Spirit, have this authority because we have partaken of the divine nature and are one spirit with Jesus...

2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature,...

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

John 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Indeed, we have the authority to remit/forgive all manner of sin and blasphemy (accept blasphemy of the Holy Spirit) as the very Spirit of God leads us.

That's Apostolic Authority. I firmly believe this. And I've seen elders use it.