Matthew 24 fulfilled - Page 9

Truthseeker · #81 10-12-2014, 04:32 PM

When you consider stuff that bro Blume posted there is not doubt Matt 24 is fulfilled.

mfblume · #82 10-12-2014, 04:37 PM

Matthew 24:42-44 KJV Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. (43) But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. (44) Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

AGAIN DESTRUCTION is the point. Just like NOAH'S FLOOD DESTROYED the ones it TOOK, Jesus spoke of DESTRUCTION coming. The THIEF is not said to have stolen anything in this passage. Everyone only thinks of thieves stealing, which they indeed do. But that is not the point Jesus made. Jesus RESTRICTED His thoughts to the destruction of a home that the thief causes. THAT DESTRUCTION is the only thing Jesus used to compare with His coming. Like the flood taking sinners in destruction, the thief came to destroy the house.

It is amazing how people mix Noah's story and this thief story up. Jesus would come at an unexpected MOMENT OF DESTRUCTION just like the FLOOD DID. JUST LIKE THE THIEF DID.

How people TWIST these verses to show a rapture is unbelievable. It's only from hearing it for two hundred times over and over again that people think that way. No one reading this for the first time without influence from tradition would think of the rapture!

mfblume · #83 10-12-2014, 04:40 PM

Matthew 24:45-51 KJV Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? (46) Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. (47) Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. (48) But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; (49) And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; (50) The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, (51) And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

AGAIN DESTRUCTION ALONE is the issue. NOTHING about a rapture.

We read NOTHING -- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about a rapture when He comes here. Just cutting people asunder, like the flood taking sinners in death and the thief coming and breaking up the house. It's nothing but a coming in destruction. To say anything else is to get an interpretation from a tradition that does not even make sense when you read the actual chapter without traditional influence.

mfblume · #84 10-12-2014, 04:44 PM

Destruction is that coming we read about in Matt 24:

Matthew 24:38-39 KJV For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:43 KJV But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Matthew 24:50-51 KJV The lord of that servant shall come......And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

THE COMING WAS ONLY IN DESTRUCTION.

The disciples KNEW THAT because of what they heard in Matt 23 about the temple destruction. So when they heard Jesus speak of the temple destruction they immediately connected it WITH HIS COMING.

Matthew 24:2-3 KJV And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The ONLY COMING they ever heard Him talk about in Matthew before this chapter was DESTRUCTION.

Matthew 21:40-41 KJV When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? (41) They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Sean · #85 10-12-2014, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

When you consider stuff that bro Blume posted there is not doubt Matt 24 is fulfilled.

As you wish.

Sean · #86 10-12-2014, 08:23 PM

It is interesting to me, when somebody said months ago, that preterism is a majority of the opinion in Christianity. That is "whistling in the graveyard to keep one's courage up". I have been around thousands of saints and dozens of churches in my 35 years of walking with God. I am in driving distance to the largest UPC church in North America, and its many surrounding churches. Even my friends of other denominations have never heard of it.

The first time I ever heard of this idea is last year(2013). I still know of NO churches or saints that believe in it. I am interviewing ministers and saints whenever possible to see what they believe.

My conclusion is that only a handful of folks believe in preterism and they hang out as "outcasts" on the internet. They seek each other out online and each others favor to keep the faith.

I am being objective in my conclusion here. I am still seeking out preterists in my general area to no avail.

Good luck guys....

mfblume · #87 10-12-2014, 09:49 PM

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It is interesting to me, when somebody said months ago, that preterism is a majority of the opinion in Christianity. That is "whistling in the graveyard to keep one's courage up". I have been around thousands of saints and dozens of churches in my 35 years of walking with God. I am in driving distance to the largest UPC church in North America, and its many surrounding churches. Even my friends of other denominations have never heard of it.

The first time I ever heard of this idea is last year(2013). I still know of NO churches or saints that believe in it. I am interviewing ministers and saints whenever possible to see what they believe.

My conclusion is that only a handful of folks believe in preterism and they hang out as "outcasts" on the internet. They seek each other out online and each others favor to keep the faith.

I am being objective in my conclusion here. I am still seeking out preterists in my general area to no avail.

Good luck guys....

You need to go out more. lol

I met apostolic preachers who believed this for thirty years.

But, nevertheless, who said counting heads determines truth, anyway?

Again, also, the BIBLE is the issue to deal with, not extrabiblical generalities like this.

Sean · #88 10-12-2014, 09:53 PM

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You need to go out more. lol

I met apostolic preachers who believed this for thirty years.

But, nevertheless, who said counting heads determines truth, anyway?

Again, also, the BIBLE is the issue to deal with, not extrabiblical generalities like this.

Mike, I just forgot to reply to that post back then when "crazy" showed up and ruined the party...LOL

Sean · #89 10-13-2014, 07:50 AM

Guys, I am through debating with preterists, however,I will gladly answer questions like the kind TRUTHSEEKER asked. That was fun and easy. If anyone that is objective would like to see my comparison of Paul quoting Jesus' rapture of Matt 24, feel free to ask.
(I saw this myself and was never taught it as a futurist.)

mfblume · #90 10-13-2014, 10:04 AM

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(I saw this myself and was never taught it as a futurist.)

No one would come up with a gap in the 70 weeks of Daniel unless they were taught it. It's too gapless in the chapter for that.

And there's so much preaching of matt 24 being our time of the last days that in our churches you could not avoid seeing it that way due to that influence.