ILG - Vaccine Hysteria

[Pressing-On]

Okay! Done for now!

[Pressing-On]

I have to add one more video. Dr. Suzanne Humphries made this comment around the 7:04 marker: "Nutrition is the most important core element that we can do whether we are already sick or whether we are wanting to prevent illness. And that's it, period."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by ILG

My take on what your doctor said...I would think to myself "is being hospitalized a "normal" response to a vaccine?"

Apparently these days.

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

Why don't you talk to some organizations that deal with reporting and see what they think? You could talk to both pro and anti-vaccine groups, put together the information you feel is important and make your decision that way?

My take on what your doctor said...I would think to myself "is being hospitalized a "normal" response to a vaccine?"

Please let us know what you decide. Or even discuss it here.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

DR. BOB'S DAILY:

JUST HOW DEADLY IS MEASLES?

What makes measles so scary? What is it about measles that spreads fear and dread through our population? Three things, in my opinion, set it apart from most infectious diseases that make us afraid: 1. It's untreatable, and it has a high rate of complications, so we are at it's mercy, 2. It's been virtually eliminated from the U.S., so we aren't used to it anymore, and 3. It's potentially fatal.

Now, let's play two truths and a lie. Two of these statements are true, and one is not. Well, the one that is not is technically true, but it's not true in all practical terms.

1. Untreatable? Correct. There is no anti-viral medication that will help, so we just have to stand by as the disease runs its course. We are powerless, and that creates fear. We don't want to take a risk with something which we have no way to mitigate or control. The only thing that may make measles less severe is high dose Vitamin A therapy (which is approved by the WHO). But that's not an anti-viral med; it just helps us fight it off a little better.

Complications? Ear infection is the most likely complication - treatable. Pneumonia is next - also treatable. Ya, you don't want those things to happen, but they are treatable. Encephalitis? That's much worse. Fortunately it's extremely rare in well-nourished people (see below).

So, the lie is that measles has a high rate of serious complications. It doesn't. It CAN, but it rarely does.

2. Eliminated? Virtually. Over the past 20 years we've sometimes only had 50 cases a year. Sometimes 150. Nobody knows measles anymore, and when we are ignorant of something unfamiliar, we fear it until we understand it.

Ask any Grandma or Grandpa (well, older ones anyway), and they'll say "Measles? So what? We all had it. It's like Chicken pox." Ask a twenty-five-year-old mom with two young kids, and she'll scoop up her kids and run away from you for even mentioning the M word.

If you understand measles, you wouldn't fear it. Respect it.

I do acknowledge that it's a public health nightmare in that it takes a lot of effort and money to contain these outbreaks. And it causes a lot of people to get tested, quarantined, or treated with preventive immune globulin shots. It's no joke. But, those efforts are largely because we are trying to contain it, not because it's going to kill everybody. So, not fear - respect.

3. Potentially fatal? Technically true, but herein lies the lie. It's been publicized as "the deadliest of all childhood fever/rash illness with a high rate of complications." Deadly? Not in the U.S., or any other developed country with a well-nourished population. The risk of fatality here isn't zero, but it's as close to zero as you can get without actually being zero. It's 1 in many thousands. Will someone pass away in the U.S. from measles one of these years? Tragically yes. That will likely happen to one person. It hasn't happened here in at least ten years (or more - I don't even know how many years we have to go back to find one). When that happens, it will be extremely tragic.

But will it spread through the U.S. and kill people left and right? No. Does measles do that in underdeveloped countries? Sadly, yes. It kills countless people worldwide every year. So, that's how health officials can accurately say it's so deadly. They don't have to tell you the whole truth, just the part of the truth that they want you to believe.

Measles can also be serious for young infants, just as many diseases can. It can also be serious for immunocompromised people, just as all illnesses. It can also cause pregnancy complications, just like many infections can. Measles isn't unique in these risks. But they are risks nonetheless.

So, fear measles? No. Not in the U.S.. Respect measles? Yes. Take appropriate precautions with it. But don't let anyone tell you you should live in fear of it. Let's handle it calmly and without fear or blame.

I will keep you up to date in the weeks to come.

Dr. Bob
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[n david]

The media is doing its part to stoke the fear and try to create panic. Because of the news being reported, people are hysterical. I cannot believe some things I've read, from not only random people I don't know on twitter, but also from acquaintances at work and friends.

Things I never mention at work are religion and politics. Recently, I've added vaccines to that, because of some comments people around me have made against parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids. Most of it is accusating parents of child abuse or neglect. I've heard people talking about CPS needing to become involved, parents being fined or arrested, or vaccines being mandated.

USA Today published an op-ed piece stating outright, "Parents who do not vaccinate their children should go to jail."

The Washington Post joined with an op-ed of its own and stated, "Doctors who purvey views based on anecdote, myth, hearsay, rumor, ideology, fraud or some combination of all of these, particularly during an epidemic, should have their medical licenses revoked."

So the media is waging war on two fronts, against parental rights and against any Doctor who would dare speak out against vaccinations.

My wife and I were talking about this the other day and agreed that we weren't going to talk about vaccinations with our acquaintances, friends or even family anymore -- especially if we do not vaccinate again. The level of vitriol and fear is too high right now.

USA Today: "Jail 'anti-vax' parents"

Washington Post: "Revoke the license of any doctor who opposes vaccination"

[Pressing-On]

Good idea not to talk about vaccines to anyone but your wife. You can't reason with the fear out there.

I have a family member who is a nurse. They believe in GMO's, vaccines, and mock people who prefer to eat organic. Her family are the most unhealthy people I know. I couldn't even begin to list their medical problems.

Fortunately, I have family who don't vaccinate, eat healthy and don't buy into all the fear mongering.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good idea not to talk about vaccines to anyone but your wife. You can't reason with the fear out there.

I have a family member who is a nurse. They believe in GMO's, vaccines, and mock people who prefer to eat organic. Her family are the most unhealthy people I know. I couldn't even being to list their medical problems.

Fortunately, I have family who don't vaccinate, eat healthy and don't buy into all the fear mongering.

My neice is a nurse in the delivery ward, and very vocal about vaccines. She also has 3 kids (ages 2-7), each one of them have bad respiratory issues and have to do breathing treatments. I feel awful for them, because a lot of times the kids have to do multiple treatments a day.

I believe it's hereditary, since her mom and brothers have asthma and have to do treatments every once in a while as well.

Her and I have debated vaccines now and then, especially since the babies were born.

A couple we know have a son who turned 1 year a few weeks ago. He's never been vax'd. The father and I were discussing wellness checkups and whether they're truly necessary. We both agree that it makes no sense to take a healthy baby to a Pediatrician's office. We also believe that wellness checkups are mostly a way for the Pediatrician to push vaccinations. Unfortunately, my wife feels we should go to the wellness checkups, especially since the babies were born 4-weeks premature.

I read somewhere that a non-vax wellness checkup earns a Pediatrician about $40, whereas a vax wellness checkup earns them $400 or more.

As long as the babies are eating well, looking well, and are happy and healthy, I'd rather not go to the checkups.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

My neice is a nurse in the delivery ward, and very vocal about vaccines. She also has 3 kids (ages 2-7), each one of them have bad respiratory issues and have to do breathing treatments. I feel awful for them, because a lot of times the kids have to do multiple treatments a day.

I believe it's hereditary, since her mom and brothers have asthma and have to do treatments every once in a while as well.

Her and I have debated vaccines now and then, especially since the babies were born.

A couple we know have a son who turned 1 year a few weeks ago. He's never been vax'd. The father and I were discussing wellness checkups and whether they're truly necessary. We both agree that it makes no sense to take a healthy baby to a Pediatrician's office. We also believe that wellness checkups are mostly a way for the Pediatrician to push vaccinations. Unfortunately, my wife feels we should go to the wellness checkups, especially since the babies were born 4-weeks premature.

I read somewhere that a non-vax wellness checkup earns a Pediatrician about $40, whereas a vax wellness checkup earns them $400 or more.

As long as the babies are eating well, looking well, and are happy and healthy, I'd rather not go to the checkups.

I can feel for your wife. I am sure she won't be calm about taking care of her children without the wellness for now.

But, I agree, it's a way to make consistent money whether pushing vaccines or not. A doctor wants a full schedule in order to make money.

My sister worked for a doctor who would say, "Schedule so-and-so for a colonoscopy exam. I need to make some money today."

And another friend who knew the office was giving out sugar shots just to calm down the parent. Of course, charging full price for a regular shot.

What really ticks me off is that my grandson was "accidentally" double dosed on one of his vaccine schedules. Their response, "Ooops." They do not care. His mother now, thank God, opts out of his being vaccinated. Came back to add that this is my DIL, whose mother is always harping on getting vaccines. They also have a daughter that hasn't been vaccinated because of the experience with the son. My daughter has two children that have never been vaccinated and they are so healthy. She is very health conscience on eating, exercising, etc.

I cook everything from scratch. My children were very rarely ever sick. But then, we homeschooled and weren't around the "vaccinated" crowd.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

My wife and I were talking about this the other day and agreed that we weren't going to talk about vaccinations with our acquaintances, friends or even family anymore -- especially if we do not vaccinate again. The level of vitriol and fear is too high right now.
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Sounds reasonable.