Calling on the Name of Jesus (at baptism)

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Gee, thanks. I confess I am ignorant of this teaching. Please show me where the apostles taught about pronouncing the Saviour's name in Hebrew, and I shall be able to escape my ignorance.

The Apostles did not need to teach anything about pronouncing the saviour's name in Hebrew, because they spoke the language.

Peter had a Galilean accent, that is how the slave girl could tell he was with Yeshua.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by shag

Heb. 4:14, has to include profession at baptism. Written in Hebrew. Acceptable, but not required. (Course, assuming the apostle Paul wrote Hebrews)
Even Unregistered, ought to know that.
Lotta people just think they have it all figured out, like Unregistered.
mercy.
Don't be offended though, we're all workers together, on the same team.

Aa-ahhh! I see. Very cute.

However, even though it was meant to be funny, it's true!
I OUGHT to know that; and I DON'T quite have it all worked
out . . . but I'm getting closer. The longer I am in this forum,
the more I learn . . . and the more I learn to discard.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

The Apostles did not need to teach anything about pronouncing the saviour's name in Hebrew, because they spoke the language.

Peter had a Galilean accent, that is how the slave girl could tell he was with Yeshua.

The Gentiles spoke Greek. Why were they never told about the fact that Iesous was incorrect, it should be Yeshua? Why was it never written? The apostles wrote in Greek, not Hebrew. There is NOT A DROP of historical indication the Greek speaking Gentiles EVER thought it necessary to say Yashua until approx 100 years ago when some Adventist splinter groups got into Sacred Namism (the JWs are one of those groups). Many of those groups have gone so far as to revert to Judaism en toto. Many others are just "Christian sects who want to play Jewish" with titles like Rabbi, wearing tallit, yarmulkas, putting mezuzahs on their houses, claiming to be Hebrew Roots or Messianics, etc.

About the same time these Sacred Namers were getting their "revelation" in the early 1900s another group got a revelation of the name JESUS CHRIST... and which group has been blessed with revival?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

Heb. 4:14, has to include profession at baptism. Written in Hebrew. Acceptable, but not required. (Course, assuming the apostle Paul wrote Hebrews)
Even [ you ], ought to know that.

Lotta people just think they have it all figured out, like Unregistered.


mercy.
Don't be offended though, we're all workers together, on the same team.

Shag, no portion of the New Testament was written in Hebrew.

Thank you for playing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Gentiles spoke Greek. Why were they never told about the fact that Iesous was incorrect, it should be Yeshua? Why was it never written? The apostles wrote in Greek, not Hebrew. There is NOT A DROP of historical indication the Greek speaking Gentiles EVER thought it necessary to say Yashua until approx 100 years ago when some Adventist splinter groups got into Sacred Namism (the JWs are one of those groups). Many of those groups have gone so far as to revert to Judaism en toto. Many others are just "Christian sects who want to play Jewish" with titles like Rabbi, wearing tallit, yarmulkas, putting mezuzahs on their houses, claiming to be Hebrew Roots or Messianics, etc.

About the same time these Sacred Namers were getting their "revelation" in the early 1900s another group got a revelation of the name JESUS CHRIST... and which group has been blessed with revival?

Here's something my 12 year old daughter brought up as we were shopping at Office Depot. She told me that while Jesus was in Egypt, his parents were with the Diaspora Judeans who lived there. I asked her how did she know this? She replied that they would of stay with Judeans, maybe relatives, she didn't know because the Bible doesn't mention this. But logically they would of sought out Diaspora Judean communities maybe even in Alexandria. Joseph would of spoke Greek, as well as Mary.

As far as the Sacred name, Hebrew roots groups go, the Jay Hoves top the list. Here we have a group who even knows and teaches that the guess word Jehovah was created by a Dominican monk Raymundus Martini in 1278 A.D. but continue to use the name. Yesha, Yeshua, Yoshua, Yahshua, Yahavahshua, the list becomes more entangled as they zig zag their way through the labyrinth of Pseudo He Bro.

I sorta like the look I get from Hebrew Rooters when I ask them to give me the real Hebrew name for Phillip. Most are honest enough to shy away from answering. Elder LeDeay was the only one who ever even attempted to make up a name in Hebrew for Philip.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Aa-ahhh! I see. Very cute.

However, even though it was meant to be funny, it's true!
I OUGHT to know that; and I DON'T quite have it all worked
out . . . but I'm getting closer. The longer I am in this forum,
the more I learn . . . and the more I learn to discard.

WARNING: Be extremely careful from what you LEARN on this (or any forum) always critically examine what you LEARN here. Read everything, listen to everyone, BUT, don't believe a word of it, unless you STUDY it out through your own research.

[Michael The Disciple]

I sorta like the look I get from Hebrew Rooters when I ask them to give me the real Hebrew name for Phillip. Most are honest enough to shy away from answering. Elder LeDeay was the only one who ever even attempted to make up a name in Hebrew for Philip.

It may be of some interest to some what Phillips name was in Hebrew. The name Im really concerned about is the one Pete was preaching about in Acts 4:12.

Speaking of making up a name did you forget about this?

Flaming Sword

You bring out some interesting points.

We need to realize that the S at the name of Jesus is not part of the original pronunciation, the S sound is a Greek device used to indicate that a name is masculine. Paul was Paulous, Mark was Marcus and so on the S sound was not a part of the Latin grammar. that is why in Latin the S at the end is missing an it is spelled as Iesu.

as a matter of fact even some English translations have the name with the missing S at the end.
(Tyndale 1534) “Remember ye not that all we which are baptysed in the name of Iesu Christ”
(Matthews 1537) “Remember ye not that all we which are baptized in the name of Jesu Christ”

There is no reason whatsoever for the name in English to be Jesus the ending of a name in the letter "s" is not a part of the English grammar, it was simply transliterated from the Greek name.

So if some early English bibles actually spelled the name as Jesu without the "s" sound at the end then it is obvious that the name Iesu is not correctly transliterated into English.

[Michael The Disciple]

It is obvious that no one can prove the original gospels or most of the epistles were written in Greek. It is pure speculation to say so. Does anyone claim to have THE original of ANY of the Apostles writings? Of course not. One CAN say perhaps the oldest COPIES we have were in Greek. In no way does that prove THE original written by the hands of the Apostles was written in Greek.

Tho there be some Greek scripts or fragments that are very old it is PURE SPECULATION what language they were written in the 200 years earlier.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Shag, no portion of the New Testament was written in Hebrew.

Thank you for playing.

Then there is that,

[shag]

No kidding.