Just Listened to JA Preach first night of TN Campmeeting....Disappointing.... - Page 9

tamor · #81 08-30-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

I attended all three nights. I loved every message! We had several newbies attend and they loved him! Brother Arnold is a working man's preacher. Since my dad was a working man, I appreciate that. Homey don't play games.

Jesus said some crass things and those that got offended were the ones that crucified Him.

Amen Bro. People just don't want to think about Jesus in that vein, though.

Digging4Truth · #82 08-30-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost

Refresh my memory, when was the last time you were invited to preach a camp meeting?

It's easy to criticize other people's preaching.

*groan*

Digging4Truth · #83 08-30-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1

No..it was in Canada....but I'm not saying he didn't do the same thing in illinois...he might have done it every time he preached that particular message...LOL

All I know is that there were several churches up there that voted annually on the pastor...and there were some pastoral changes right after that youth convention...

We had an evangelist come preach at our church when I was in my late teens. I was very impressed.

A few months later we heard he was preaching in a town not too far from us and so we all packed up several nights in a row to go hear him.

All 3 nights we went he preached something he had preached (I mean word for word folks... I could follow along).

I was not as impressed after that.

Hegavmelif · #84 08-30-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by johnmark93

How is a first time visitor supposed to react to language that they, and their children, would never use? He has been around long enough to know better.

AMEN! It is called being too proud and arrogant to change...but his constituents and the saints of God are supposed to change and conform to the image of Christ as a result of his preaching?

Hegavmelif · #85 08-30-2007, 10:24 AM

Much like holiness and righteousness BEGETS holiness and righteousness... Rudeness, crudeness, and crassness BEGETS rudeness, crudeness, and crassness. Maybe that is why UPC has been plagued with such a high percentage of rude, crass, and judgemental attitudes all these decades.

I speak from 50 years of experience.

MissBrattified · #86 08-30-2007, 10:29 AM

I think Jeff Arnold's style is...entertaining. But it shouldn't be hard to understand how it can be offensive...both to believers and unbelievers alike. Aren't we called to be inoffensive? To speak the truth in love? Sometimes being blunt is fresh and needed, but too much of it becomes stale and defeats the purpose.

Disrespecting elders is NEVER fresh or needed. Personally, I listen to JA's sermons, and I like the guy. I think he's hilarious. But on the other hand, I can't imagine EVER speaking to my elders or peers in the way that he does, even as a joke.

Twisp · #87 08-30-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Seriously talk about some wild language for the pulpit Elder Johhny James says some forward things.

Bro. Johnny James does say some rather forward things in regards to marriage, but it usually isn't crass. One of the best preachers I have heard preach.

MissBrattified · #88 08-30-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

I attended all three nights. I loved every message! We had several newbies attend and they loved him! Brother Arnold is a working man's preacher. Since my dad was a working man, I appreciate that. Homey don't play games.

Jesus said some crass things and those that got offended were the ones that crucified Him.

Jesus said crass things...but ya gotta remember...He knew what was in their hearts and knew exactly how to deal with them. We don't have that privilege or knowledge. The Bible says to speak the truth in love. It also talks about not offending your brother or little ones...if I remember right. I could be wrong.

determined · #89 08-30-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by johnmark93

How is a first time visitor supposed to react to language that they, and their children, would never use? He has been around long enough to know better.

I talked with a young lady, early 20's who attended one night (Fri, I think) of the TN camp. She had never heard JA and was offended. She was truly shocked that a minister would say the things he said and in the manner he said them. She was not new to Pentecostal services at all, she had been raised in UPC church. I have heard JA on numerous occasions, many times at TN camps actually and always felt he was bording being obnoxious. I know that NY Bronx tone is probably natural, but.... I didn't go to the TN camp this year because he was the speaker. I don't care to hear him.

Coonskinner · #90 08-30-2007, 11:42 AM

I like Jeff Arnold well enough as a person. He is a nice fellow, and has a lot of revelatory things to say.

As for his language, the schtick is getting a little tired and old. He has been in the church long enough by now to know how to communicate a little differently I would think. I'm not offended by it, I just think it is somewhat of a hindrance to the really good things he has to say.

But there is one thing he does that totally turns me off--the way he pits the pew against the pulpit, and the way he disrespects elders.

That is absolutely wrong, and I don't appreciate it.