Who was Harry Morse ?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I got the Revelation the instant I got the Holy Ghost. I heard about "Oneness" some time later. It was simply a term trying to explain what I experienced already.

The revelation isn't a revelation of a doctrine. It's a revelation of a PERSON. Lots of people know all about the doctrine, but never really met the Person about whom the doctrine speaks.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You know that actually oneness means plurality being unified.
We are One God Apostolics. Meaning we believe in literally one single God with one saving name, JESUS.

Now that's interesting, never thought of it like that (regarding the term "oneness").

One God Apostolic sounds better than oneness pentecostal.

[Scott Pitta]

The terminology is tricky. At first, they named their churches after Apostolic Faith Mission. Then, in 1914, they stopped using that name. After a while, they were popularly called Emmanuel Mission. Then Full Gospel Church. That name change came after the revivals by Aimee McPherson. Then PCI and then UPC.

Local variations of the above were also common.

And that is just the names of the churches. How the doctrine was described is a different post

[Scott Pitta]

The terminology is tricky. At first, they named their churches after Apostolic Faith Mission. Then, in 1914, they stopped using that name. After a while, they were popularly called Emmanuel Mission. Then Full Gospel Church. That name change came after the revivals by Aimee McPherson. Then PCI and then UPC.

Local variations of the above were also common.

And that is just the names of the churches. How the doctrine was described is a different post

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now that's interesting, never thought of it like that (regarding the term "oneness").

One God Apostolic sounds better than oneness pentecostal.

Actually oneness is what Hindus use to explain their their god. Hinduism speak of god as the indivisible and uncreated one from which all else is created. Hinduism believes in the oneness not merely of all human beings, but in the oneness of all things which live. Also to say to everything that exists.
We were labeled oneness by the Trinitarians.

[Scott Pitta]

Martin Lawrence Ryan visited Azusa Street in 1906 and brought back a couple of members with him to Salem, Oregon to visit his mission. His mission, according to the paper, had been a going concern for several years.
In 1907, he became the first Pentecostal missionary in Japan. By 1910, he was back and preaching in California. In 1911, his wife divorces him for failure to support the family.
He did convert a Methodist minister from Latah, Washington named David Raines. He became pastor in Spokane in 1915 and pastored the Pentecostal Mission there from 1915-1920.
During his pastorate several ministers spoke at his church. Including: Robert Hammond, G.T. Haywood, Harry Morse, C.S. Baker, John G. Lake and H.L.. Lawler.
Hammond, Haywood and Morse were Oneness. The others were not. The church became AOG.
But it does help understand the spread of Pentecostalism in Salem, Oregon.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Martin Lawrence Ryan visited Azusa Street in 1906 and brought back a couple of members with him to Salem, Oregon to visit his mission. His mission, according to the paper, had been a going concern for several years.
In 1907, he became the first Pentecostal missionary in Japan. By 1910, he was back and preaching in California. In 1911, his wife divorces him for failure to support the family.
He did convert a Methodist minister from Latah, Washington named David Raines. He became pastor in Spokane in 1915 and pastored the Pentecostal Mission there from 1915-1920.
During his pastorate several ministers spoke at his church. Including: Robert Hammond, G.T. Haywood, Harry Morse, C.S. Baker, John G. Lake and H.L.. Lawler.
Hammond, Haywood and Morse were Oneness. The others were not. The church became AOG.
But it does help understand the spread of Pentecostalism in Salem, Oregon.

Have you done any research on the split that happened within the UPC and the ministers that went on to form the AMF. I believe that was back in the late 50’s-early 60’s? I just finished a book and it talked about that yet not in great detail. Seeing you’re the resident expert on history, maybe you can shine some light on this dark time in the UPC.

[Scott Pitta]

The splits and mergers are complex. Gathering data is not easy. Understanding the big picture is even more difficult.

Harry Morse was a founding member of the AMF.

I will look around at my data.

[Scott Pitta]

Here is a quote from an article I have. I do not know who wrote it.

In August of 1968, a group of approximately 72 ministers, namely associated with the United Pentecostal Church International, met in Baker, Louisiana for the first "General Council of Elders" of the newly formed Apostolic Ministers Fellowship (AMF). The AMF was formed due to a growing unrest among the majority of its constituency (while still in the UPCI) concerning the autonomy of pastors over their individual congregations. Elder M.E. Burr is the person of interest in the initial formation of the AMF. It seemed that he had experienced personal disagreements with the Texas, District Board, and in particular with District Superintendent, V.A. Guidroz. This unrest led to a gathering of support from several ministers around the country who were sympathetic toward his position.

A special meeting was held in July 1968, at C.W. Shew's church in Fort Worth, Texas, prior to the August, Conference in Baker. Many of the supporting minister's were present to show their favor toward the cause of self autonomy. C.W. Shew, Verbal Bean, R.C. Cavaness, Jimmy Davis, A.L. O'Brien, Carl Ballestero, and C.R. Free were among the list of some of the ministers who gave life to the AMF. When the movement was first started, it was intended to be a fellowship only! No eminent plans were made at the outset to form a distinct and separate organization. It was intended to be kept strictly as a fellowship of apostolic ministers, with hopes of maintaining a lifeline to the UPCI. However, when this attempt failed, the fellowship would eventually evolve over 16 years until it became a fully developed organization. This turning point took place in August, 1984 during the 16th Annual General Conference at Cincinnati, Ohio.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Here is a quote from an article I have. I do not know who wrote it.

In August of 1968, a group of approximately 72 ministers, namely associated with the United Pentecostal Church International, met in Baker, Louisiana for the first "General Council of Elders" of the newly formed Apostolic Ministers Fellowship (AMF). The AMF was formed due to a growing unrest among the majority of its constituency (while still in the UPCI) concerning the autonomy of pastors over their individual congregations. Elder M.E. Burr is the person of interest in the initial formation of the AMF. It seemed that he had experienced personal disagreements with the Texas, District Board, and in particular with District Superintendent, V.A. Guidroz. This unrest led to a gathering of support from several ministers around the country who were sympathetic toward his position.

A special meeting was held in July 1968, at C.W. Shew's church in Fort Worth, Texas, prior to the August, Conference in Baker. Many of the supporting minister's were present to show their favor toward the cause of self autonomy. C.W. Shew, Verbal Bean, R.C. Cavaness, Jimmy Davis, A.L. O'Brien, Carl Ballestero, and C.R. Free were among the list of some of the ministers who gave life to the AMF. When the movement was first started, it was intended to be a fellowship only! No eminent plans were made at the outset to form a distinct and separate organization. It was intended to be kept strictly as a fellowship of apostolic ministers, with hopes of maintaining a lifeline to the UPCI. However, when this attempt failed, the fellowship would eventually evolve over 16 years until it became a fully developed organization. This turning point took place in August, 1984 during the 16th Annual General Conference at Cincinnati, Ohio.

Thank you. I didn’t realize the depth there was to the formation of the AMF.

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That’s what I thought, I always wondered why would a group of ministers leave an organization just to start another. From what I understood they were tired of the man over man perversion that built organizations. That makes sense as to why the AMF is now just another organization.

Scott, what’s your though on all the research you’ve done. Why can’t church’s form fellowships? Why does it have to be formed into some political pyramid?

Appreciate the info by the way.