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01-18-2008, 07:42 PM
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I don't hate any one THANK YOU.
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01-18-2008, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted
More UPC propaganda. Trying to patch the hole in the Titanic.
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I don't hate any one THANK YOU.
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No one said you did, but your contempt for the org is showing.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-18-2008, 07:44 PM
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Psalm 121
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted
I don't hate any one THANK YOU.
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Not even ... THE DEVIL???!!! 
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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01-18-2008, 07:47 PM
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Psalm 121
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
hmmm... you really do hate the United Pentecostal Org. don't you?
...and I was thinking you were just a conservative brother.
Since you think the letter is a patch, are you aware of any plans for a great exodus out of the DS's state?
I'll answer for you, "NO!".
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
No one said you did, but your contempt for the org is showing.
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Revision ...anyone???
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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01-18-2008, 07:50 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Originally Posted by Theophil
Revision ...anyone??? |
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If you think I was saying the DS - I was not - that is why I specified "ORG"
For example I hate the Democratic party, but that does not mean I hate Hillary...
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-18-2008, 07:51 PM
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BANNED MYSELF
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Join Date: May 2007
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Originally Posted by Theophil
January 8, 2008
To all of the Ministers of the Missouri District,
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I desire to include some comments in this letter concerning the upcoming meeting in Tulsa. This meeting is being promoted as a preferred alternative to the UPC. It is very clear that the men who have created this forum intend to start a new organization (although we're not sure who preferred them as their leaders, having conducted no elections that I'm aware of to this point). If these men still hold their UPC credentials, then this meeting is ministerially unethical. The Oklahoma District was not contacted or informed about this meeting. What pastor among us or them would approve members of his congregation seeking out a preferred leadership for their families while still in fellowship with that church?Let's be honest, brethren: this is an anti-UPC meeting. The Tampa General Conference did not initiate this meeting. This attitude has been brewing for quite some time. We have history to know what will come of this new organization if it ever gets off the ground. The creation of this group is not about vision, passion for the lost, or reaching the world more effectively. (Do we become more effective by becoming smaller?) Because its impetus is of a negative bent, it will attract discontentment that will chronically focus on what's wrong with the mother organization. What kind of an organization would we have if every time the majority voted in favor of something, those who didn't like the results left? If we appeal to the manual, how about starting with "We shall not contend for our individual beliefs to the disunity of the body"?
Some are curious about going to Tulsa, others may think it profitable for entertainment purposes, while yet others are sincerely interested in what Tulsa has to offer. I am respectfully requesting that none of our Missouri District ministers attend this meeting. If you decide to go, please be advised that your presence there will only lend credibility to their agenda and possibly insert confusion into your own spirit. Some who are leading this meeting have well-earned reputations for not finishing what they start, proselytizing, and wanting to be the kingpin of something. Some of the names printed on promotional materials for "Tampa" have been used without consent (another ploy previously used by some of the preferred leaders).
I do not want any licensed minister to feel that he has no choice but to leave the UPC. If you know someone who feels disenfranchised, please reach out to them. These are the greatest days for the kingdom of God. How sad it would be to miss the greatest revival the world has ever known because of discontentment through association. If we're going to fully reap the promised harvest, then it will take all of us and more to bring it in. Brethren, we are fighting a "scattering spirit" within our local congregations in this end time. Let us not feed this spirit on a national level and may we not contribute to the enemy’s agenda by sowing discord among the brethren. My prayer for our fellowship is that "we ... endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith ..." (W. T. Witherspoon).
If you have any questions, please feel free to call me. I stand ready to help or encourage any men of God who are sincerely seeking God's will for their ministry or the congregation they are leading.
Respectfully submitted,
Stan Gleason
Missouri District Superintendent
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The true body is the Body of Christ. UPC folks not having anything much to do with independent oneness folks is not pleasing to God. If a man don't have a card no matter how dedicated to God he is, he's not allowed to preach in a UPC church and is looked on as lower than 2nd class. Please somebody tell me how that is right in the eyes of God. Contending for unity of the faith needs to go past organizational barriers. I'm not bashing UPC here. Telling it how I see it. Reaching out to those who feel disenfranchised can mean reaching out to independents, too.
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Fighting the Devil  NOT my brother.
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01-18-2008, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Theophil
January 8, 2008
To all of the Ministers of the Missouri District,
…….
I desire to include some comments in this letter concerning the upcoming meeting in Tulsa. This meeting is being promoted as a preferred alternative to the UPC. It is very clear that the men who have created this forum intend to start a new organization (although we're not sure who preferred them as their leaders, having conducted no elections that I'm aware of to this point). If these men still hold their UPC credentials, then this meeting is ministerially unethical. The Oklahoma District was not contacted or informed about this meeting. What pastor among us or them would approve members of his congregation seeking out a preferred leadership for their families while still in fellowship with that church?Let's be honest, brethren: this is an anti-UPC meeting. The Tampa General Conference did not initiate this meeting. This attitude has been brewing for quite some time. We have history to know what will come of this new organization if it ever gets off the ground. The creation of this group is not about vision, passion for the lost, or reaching the world more effectively. (Do we become more effective by becoming smaller?) Because its impetus is of a negative bent, it will attract discontentment that will chronically focus on what's wrong with the mother organization. What kind of an organization would we have if every time the majority voted in favor of something, those who didn't like the results left? If we appeal to the manual, how about starting with "We shall not contend for our individual beliefs to the disunity of the body"?
Some are curious about going to Tulsa, others may think it profitable for entertainment purposes, while yet others are sincerely interested in what Tulsa has to offer. I am respectfully requesting that none of our Missouri District ministers attend this meeting. If you decide to go, please be advised that your presence there will only lend credibility to their agenda and possibly insert confusion into your own spirit. Some who are leading this meeting have well-earned reputations for not finishing what they start, proselytizing, and wanting to be the kingpin of something. Some of the names printed on promotional materials for "Tampa" have been used without consent (another ploy previously used by some of the preferred leaders).
I do not want any licensed minister to feel that he has no choice but to leave the UPC. If you know someone who feels disenfranchised, please reach out to them. These are the greatest days for the kingdom of God. How sad it would be to miss the greatest revival the world has ever known because of discontentment through association. If we're going to fully reap the promised harvest, then it will take all of us and more to bring it in. Brethren, we are fighting a "scattering spirit" within our local congregations in this end time. Let us not feed this spirit on a national level and may we not contribute to the enemy’s agenda by sowing discord among the brethren. My prayer for our fellowship is that "we ... endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith ..." (W. T. Witherspoon).
If you have any questions, please feel free to call me. I stand ready to help or encourage any men of God who are sincerely seeking God's will for their ministry or the congregation they are leading.
Respectfully submitted,
Stan Gleason
Missouri District Superintendent
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I'm being a total jerk here, but this is the same thing I was saying a year ago, and everyone thought I was the problem, had a bad attitude and the like.
Maybe we should start calling all of these johnny-come-lately letter writers "Mr. Obvious." 
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01-18-2008, 07:57 PM
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Psalm 121
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
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If you think I was saying the DS - I was not - that is why I specified "ORG"
For example I hate the Democratic party, but that does not mean I hate Hillary...
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I'm confused now...Thanks Alot! On with the show... 
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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01-18-2008, 08:00 PM
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Psalm 121
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Not of this world
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I'm being a total jerk here, but this is the same thing I was saying a year ago, and everyone thought I was the problem, had a bad attitude and the like.
Maybe we should start calling all of these johnny-come-lately letter writers "Mr. Obvious."
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Don't be so hard on yourself. You must remember that you are a man of vision and foresight. Others are just now catching up.
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13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love. 14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. Galatians 5:13-15 (NIV)
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01-18-2008, 08:01 PM
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Live! Via Satellite
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Without taking any sides here at all....
Can I just say I am proud to be from Missouri....
... and would love to take Bro Gleason to Ruth's Chris Steak House in Kansas City (Country Club Plaza).
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Me too, Steve. Me too. We do have some great leadership here at the district level.
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