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Old 04-20-2021, 10:02 PM
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As if unitarianism is the better choice.

How come Jesus did not require the cross if he was born like any man and was only man? Sounds like God is a respector of persons.

The test of a doctrine is what it does with the cross. And unitarianism removes the truth of the cross, for if Jesus was not God incarnate, then he was like us with sin, regardless of who fathered him. And if being born of God and still being only human meant Jesus had no sin, then why did not God do that with all the human race since Adam instead of just him? It would have saved the suffering of the cross.
Who is unitarian here?
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Why? To some on here, the trinitarian view point or the oneness belief is the same god. They worship the same god we worship. Why would it matter if a belief is not exactly the same?
Great question. The fact is that the RCC is the mother of trinity. Anyone that believes it falls under her authority. She is the divider of the lone God. If she teaches it, folks should run the other way.
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Yes and no. They were not separate at the time so that was the formation of the catholic (universal) church, not the Roman Catholic Church. So ok, sure
the RCC and the CC are the same church. it is headquartered in Rome and always was from the beginning.
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the RCC and the CC are the same church. it is headquartered in Rome and always was from the beginning.
Unfortunately, that is incorrect.
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Unfortunately, that is incorrect.
Exactly.
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the RCC and the CC are the same church. it is headquartered in Rome and always was from the beginning.
Incorrect. "Catholic" just means across the whole world. Roman Catholics just took that Catholic part and used it for their ends.
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Who is unitarian here?
You. Do you know what unitarianism means, because it's evident that you don't know what catholic means? Now, please answer the question I posed in the post you're responding to.
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Actually, that is the Eastern Orthodox creed (of which I am now a member) - the Catholics added the Filioque later on.
Serious question:

Do you really believe that prayer to dead saints, hymns to Mary, and veneration of icons represent what Jesus and the apostles practiced, that such is the same faith and practice they had?
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Serious question:

Do you really believe that prayer to dead saints, hymns to Mary, and veneration of icons represent what Jesus and the apostles practiced, that such is the same faith and practice they had?
I have faith that the same church fathers who learned from the apostles themselves, and who compiled the scriptures we have today, reached a consensus as to the practices that the whole church should participate in.

But strictly speaking, to answer your question, I doubt that Jesus Himself and the Apostles themselves, would have prayed to Mary (because she wasn't dead) or prayed to dead saints (because they weren't dead yet). There is some evidence of icons in ancient Judaism, so I can't answer that except to say maybe.
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