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Old 04-12-2015, 12:51 PM
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Re: Debunking a 9-11 myth

The two main towers did not collapse at free-fall speed.

They turned to dust. That was not a collapse, it was a disintegration.
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Old 04-12-2015, 01:01 PM
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And once again, the heat did not have to melt them, just weaken them. Add to that, the already existing structural damage from the impact, and you have your answer.
Bunk. A plane crash will not cause a tower to turn into dust hours later.

Eyewitnesses reported explosions (fireballs and all) in the basement area. Squibs can be seen in the video footage. Radiation levels spiked in the area. Immediately after the event a bystander is interviewed who said "man, wow, the plane hit the tower and the tower collapsed due to burning jet fuel weakening the structure." Yeah right. Whatever.

Building 7 collapsed. Reported by BBC as collapsed some half hour before it happened. Funny bout that...

Operation North woods, military plan to hijack passenger planes and crash them into skyscrapers and blame it on communists. 911 happened during a drill... a hijacking drill...

Cellphone calls from the plane which was technologically IMPOSSIBLE at the time. Funny business with the passenger manifests. Eyewitnesses seeing drones and missiles instead of jumbo jets. No remains of planes at Shanksville or Pentagon. Missing flight data recorders. Investigators "oops we erased all the recordings for flight control that day".

Anyone who believes the official conspiracy theory is simply not capable of rational thought. Orwell would be proud.
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Re: Debunking a 9-11 myth

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Cellphone calls from the plane which was technologically IMPOSSIBLE at the time.


Impossible? Impossible?! They're banned from use, not because they don't work, but because they can interfere with equipment. Why else would they need to put a ban in place. If they didn't work, no one would need to be told they can't use them.

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Re: Debunking a 9-11 myth

See? Not capable of rational thought.
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Re: Debunking a 9-11 myth

i find it helps not to get too emotionally attached to my guesses
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The two main towers did not collapse at free-fall speed.

They turned to dust. That was not a collapse, it was a disintegration.
i watched a steel beam eject whole and then just vaporize, right outside the drop zone. trippy. Explains the lack of debris, and also pretty evident in the thickness of the debris cloud, imo.

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Old 04-12-2015, 06:45 PM
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well, i guess it depends upon what "is" is...
You dont know?
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Old 04-12-2015, 06:57 PM
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YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "FORGED" MEANS!

Steel used in sky-scrapers come from carbon steel, forged at 2200+ degrees F.
Jet fuel
burns at about 1500 degrees F.
So there are two reasons why the Twin Towers could have collapsed. (1) Shoddy workmanship
by the supplier(s) of the I-beams; or (2), explosives previously placed in the buildings, themselves.

Now guess why the evidence was wisked away!
Yes I DO know what forged means.

Once again you are working on the rationale that the steel had to melt. It did NOT have to melt and that is what my evidence proves. All that had to take place was for the steel to be structurally weakened enough so that tons and tons and tons of Steel and Concrete above it would make them buckle

Forging does not mean "Make steel resisted to heat". All forging does is shape a piece of metal to form. In some cases it can be uses to harden a piece of metal.

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Steel loses strength when heated sufficiently. The critical temperature of a steel member is the temperature at which it cannot safely support its load. Building codes and structural engineering standard practice defines different critical temperatures depending on the structural element type, configuration, orientation, and loading characteristics. The critical temperature is often considered the temperature at which its yield stress has been reduced to 60% of the room temperature yield stress.[17] In order to determine the fire resistance rating of a steel member, accepted calculations practice can be used,[18] or a fire test can be performed, the critical temperature of which is set by the standard accepted to the Authority Having Jurisdiction, such as a building code. In Japan, this is below 400 °C[citation needed]. In China, Europe and North America (e.g., ASTM E-119), this is approximately 1000–1300 °F[19] (530-810 °C). The time it takes for the steel element that is being tested to reach the temperature set by the test standard determines the duration of the fire-resistance rating. Heat transfer to the steel can be slowed by the use of fireproofing materials, thus limiting steel temperature. Common fireproofing methods for structural steel include intumescent, endothermic and plaster coatings as well as drywall, calcium silicate cladding, and mineral or high temperature insulation mineral wool blanket.[20]


Concrete building structures often meet code required fire-resistance ratings, as the concrete thickness over the steel rebar provides sufficient fire resistance. However, concrete can be subject to spalling, particularly if it has an elevated moisture content. Although additional fireproofing is not often applied to concrete building structures, it is sometimes used in traffic tunnels and locations where a hydrocarbon fuel fire is more likely, as flammable liquid fires provides more heat to the structural element as compared to a fire involving ordinary combustibles during the same fire period. Structural steel fireproofing materials include intumescent, endothermic and plaster coatings as well as drywall, calcium silicate cladding, and mineral or high temperature insulation wool blankets. Attention is given to connections, as the thermal expansion of structural elements can compromise fire-resistance rated assemblies"

BTW there is a REASON why they wrap the I beams with a protective barrier to fire. Because those beams can weaken under heat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structu...rmal_propertie

BTW one more thing. It wasn't merely jet fuel. It was everything burning and cooking not to mention the air from the high altitude blowing in. It was not a controlled burn where you can measure the temp.

Study how forges work and how they get REALLY HOT. It's because there is a fire in a confined space with an oxygen supply
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And once again, the heat did not have to melt them, just weaken them. Add to that, the already existing structural damage from the impact, and you have your answer.
Its like talking to a brick wall....
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at least for the uneducated, yes. You won't get it past any engineers, but what the heck.
Engineers confirmed these facts. Just read the information I already posted or watch the video...

These are the findings of Engineers... not fly by night conspiracy theorist
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Cellphone calls from the plane which was technologically IMPOSSIBLE at the time.
lol...you can even get WIFI on an airplane....smh
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