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Old 11-08-2021, 12:10 PM
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Re: Thoughts on Tithe as Corp Tax

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That would be an argument from silence. "Something something COULD have happened, therefore..."

That is not how learning and reasonable conclusions come about, though.
That is my point about the whole Jacob tithe doctrine. Nowhere does the Bible say what you are saying. It is an argument from silence to say that God required a tithe because Jacob made a deal with God.

To my knowledge, God never took the deal. To say that He did would be once again, an argument from silence. But Jacob did return to his fathers house about twenty years later IIRC. So that is when he would have tithed, according to his vow. It’s a whole lot of assumptions is what this doctrine is. It’s possibly true but it is not verifiable. As I said.

Yes. We’ve been here before and I’m still waiting on you to provide evidence from scripture instead of guessing.

We already have plenty of false doctrine about tithing. It would not be wise to replace one made up doctrine with another. Maybe we should speak when the Bible speaks and maintain silence when it is silent. Or as the Bible advises, don’t add or subtract from God’s words.
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Nothing personal coksiw, I know you have nothing to do with the man, and your just posting some of his ideas. But, John MacArthur is a godless reprobate.
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That is my point about the whole Jacob tithe doctrine. Nowhere does the Bible say what you are saying. It is an argument from silence to say that God required a tithe because Jacob made a deal with God.

To my knowledge, God never took the deal. To say that He did would be once again, an argument from silence. But Jacob did return to his fathers house about twenty years later IIRC. So that is when he would have tithed, according to his vow. It’s a whole lot of assumptions is what this doctrine is. It’s possibly true but it is not verifiable. As I said.

Yes. We’ve been here before and I’m still waiting on you to provide evidence from scripture instead of guessing.

We already have plenty of false doctrine about tithing. It would not be wise to replace one made up doctrine with another. Maybe we should speak when the Bible speaks and maintain silence when it is silent. Or as the Bible advises, don’t add or subtract from God’s words.
Tithesmeister, narrative in the Bible is not mere recording of history as you would think historians do nowadays. Stories are there because they are theologically relevant. The interpretation that Jacob's tithe story is to back the tithing of the land in the law of Moses is the most plausible one.
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That is my point about the whole Jacob tithe doctrine. Nowhere does the Bible say what you are saying. It is an argument from silence to say that God required a tithe because Jacob made a deal with God.
You are confusing rational inferences and arguments from silence.
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You are confusing rational inferences and arguments from silence.
Oh no brother. I am not confused!

Here’s the deal.

If you make a statement without any scriptural support, it’s a rational inference.

If I do the same, it’s an argument from silence.

I’ll revisit this when I have more time. Maybe later today.
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Oh no brother. I am not confused!

Here’s the deal.

If you make a statement without any scriptural support, it’s a rational inference.

If I do the same, it’s an argument from silence.

I’ll revisit this when I have more time. Maybe later today.
Yes, you are indeed confused.

It doesn't matter who makes a statement. It matters if there are logical reasons for drawing a conclusion. Or not. An argument from silence is where a person argues something is true because there is no data on the issue.

But you are welcome to revisit this after you've googled some.
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Yes, you are indeed confused.

It doesn't matter who makes a statement. It matters if there are logical reasons for drawing a conclusion. Or not. An argument from silence is where a person argues something is true because there is no data on the issue.

But you are welcome to revisit this after you've googled some.
Meanwhile, could you point out where I made an argument from silence?
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Meanwhile, could you point out where I made an argument from silence?
After you point out where I said you made an argument from silence.
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