Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
My thoughts exactly Randy. I was raised baptist and didn't recieve the Holy Ghost until I was 18. However, I agree with you that is one thing that has always grieved me is when people focus more or ACTS 2:38 then the cross. May the LORD help us to keep everything in perspective!
Raised UPC and love my past and all of the teaching and experiences , but must still agree that there is not always proper emphasis on what I consider the basics. I daresay everyone could use the Baptist foundation and then add the Acts 2:38 experience and we would produce healthier Christians.
In the natural the government has RDA standards for nutrition, but these are based on everyone first consuming a proper diet and -------- then these are the required nutrients. But we as Americans do not eat all of the necessary fruits and veggies, so the graph is faulty.
In the spiritual, we put all of the focus on Acts 2:38, but this is with the assumption that we have the prior basic scriptural knowledge. I truly think the UPC glosses over some of the preliminary steps.
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Dan'D
The Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to keep?
The WPF is keeping with the idea that we should keep our Holiness Standards we have kept over the years. Which I agree, Yes things change but do we?
Dan'D
Whose Holiness Standards? You say we and our.....but not everyone has the same set of standards.
Do we change? Yes we do and should when we realize our views and lives do not come in line with the word of God.
So your post assumes a lot of things for the rest of the board, that they all agree with you on the standards you believe in and that some no longer do because things change.
There have been many "standards" that changed over the years before....
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
I still believe and love all the holiness standards. I still hold to everything that my great grandparents taught me and I am teaching them to my children.
Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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The consideration of television programming and internet access as equivalents is YOUR OPINION. You can't make a proof from a faulty premise.
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tv1a: The faulty premise the the ignorant idea that internet is okay, but television isn't.
This sort of thing used to be against the rules around here.
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tv1a: Galatians 3:1 says legalism is witchcraft. An organization based on legalism is not of God.
This is ultra-dangerous theology. Jesus went to the cross willingly and of his own accord. He did it out of his great love to provide the ultimate sacrifice for sin. If the Pharisees had seen the light, some other group would have hammered the nails. The Pharisees' main railing accusation against him was his self-expression of Godhead, which they saw as blasphemy. It wasn't for the minor points of the law that they took him before Pilate.
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted
I still believe and love all the holiness standards. I still hold to everything that my great grandparents taught me and I am teaching them to my children.
It's good to hear there are some that still stand for the Old Landmarks still around!
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by commonsense
Raised UPC and love my past and all of the teaching and experiences , but must still agree that there is not always proper emphasis on what I consider the basics. I daresay everyone could use the Baptist foundation and then add the Acts 2:38 experience and we would produce healthier Christians.
In the natural the government has RDA standards for nutrition, but these are based on everyone first consuming a proper diet and -------- then these are the required nutrients. But we as Americans do not eat all of the necessary fruits and veggies, so the graph is faulty.
In the spiritual, we put all of the focus on Acts 2:38, but this is with the assumption that we have the prior basic scriptural knowledge. I truly think the UPC glosses over some of the preliminary steps.
Nothing wrong with learning to crawl before we walk.
Are Apostolics now wanting to add doctrine from trinitarian churches to complement the Apostolic way, what's the church coming to.
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
My thoughts exactly Randy. I was raised baptist and didn't recieve the Holy Ghost until I was 18. I use to always fo to summer camps with my baptist church where for a week or so we would have devotions, prayer, and activities. I remember once the Pastor had us read out of Acts. I questioned myself, "Why is this book so unfamiliar to me?" This was one of the things that lead me to look for more. However, I agree with you that is one thing that has always grieved me is when people focus more or ACTS 2:38 then the cross. May the LORD help us to keep everything in perspective!
Have you ever considered that Jesus first preached repent for the kindom of heaven is at hand, was baptised. and had a showing of the Holy Ghost to a man (John the Baptist) before he ever went to the cross. Without his death at the cross there would not have been an Acts 2:38, but that doesn't diminish the importance of repentance, baptism and recieving the Holy Ghost or Jesus would not have had these things come into focus in his life before his death.
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Re: Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to kee
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Originally Posted by robert
Have you ever considered that Jesus first preached repent for the kindom of heaven is at hand, was baptised. and had a showing of the Holy Ghost to a man (John the Baptist) before he ever went to the cross. Without his death at the cross there would not have been an Acts 2:38, but that doesn't diminish the importance of repentance, baptism and recieving the Holy Ghost or Jesus would not have had these things come into focus in his life before his death.
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