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Old 01-18-2008, 05:01 PM
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It has been my experience that if ministers don't wear suits and ties to church, they are labeled as "liberal"?

Is this the case anywhere else? If so, why?
Put it to you this way. In the past 5 years the number of CEO, COO, CIO that I deal with in my sales career.

That still wear suits is down to almost none.

They wear them for only special meetings...

So the pastor should not always have to wear a suit.

Evangelist first time at a church yes..

That is what I do in business.
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That bolded part can be true, but on the flip side there are some who have made Church into nothing more than coffee & chit chat around the coffee table.
Some instances of church can be that way, though. But really, what is wrong with that, if that is the way a person feels led to minister, and it is effective with the ones to whom they are ministering? Did Jesus wear anything that distinguished him as a minister? I think not. Just dressed appropriately.

I am just saying we cannot become a "clerical collar" sort of people.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:04 PM
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What's wrong with that?

What is the New Testament guide for how to have church?
When I dress casual, I act casual, when I dress professional, I act professional.
When I dressed as a clown for our SS Picnic I acted like a......

Simple really.
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Let me ask directly then....

Would you worship if the worship leader wasn't wearing a suit and tie?

Would you get with the preacher if they were wearing a sweater with a zipper?
Would you preach with your head shaved?
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I don't have any prob with the setup we have now, but the setup we have now was not church in the NT. So your opinions are really moot.
Our opinions are moot!

Except where it really matters----to us!
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That bolded part can be true, but on the flip side there are some who have made Church into nothing more than coffee & chit chat around the coffee table.
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What's wrong with that?

What is the New Testament guide for how to have church
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I don't have any prob with the setup we have now, but the setup we have now was not church in the NT. So your opinions are really moot.
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I was about to jump in but yous guys said it all for me!!
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:07 PM
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Some instances of church can be that way, though. But really, what is wrong with that, if that is the way a person feels led to minister, and it is effective with the ones to whom they are ministering? Did Jesus wear anything that distinguished him as a minister? I think not. Just dressed appropriately.

I am just saying we cannot become a "clerical collar" sort of people.

Just like we shouldn't be come a casual sort of people when it comes to God either.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:08 PM
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When I dress casual, I act casual, when I dress professional, I act professional.
When I dressed as a clown for our SS Picnic I acted like a......

Simple really.
Even though I disagree with your reasoning, I give you room to do what you feel is right.

What I'd like to have is the ability to do what I feel is right without being labeled as "liberal".
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Some instances of church can be that way, though. But really, what is wrong with that, if that is the way a person feels led to minister, and it is effective with the ones to whom they are ministering? Did Jesus wear anything that distinguished him as a minister? I think not. Just dressed appropriately.

I am just saying we cannot become a "clerical collar" sort of people.
Just a gold tooth grin kinda people.
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