Christians and Politics

[shag]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And I think this is the single biggest problem today's Christians have, in regards to the state of society: they really don't believe that Christ is King.

Jesus was the literal heir to the throne of David, and the rightful ruler of all 12 tribes. Moreover, He was the rightful heir of God Almighty, and thus His inheritance is the entire world. He died. But He rose again from the dead.

That means He is STILL the legal, lawful heir of the Davidic monarchy, in fact He is currently the reigning monarch over the 12 tribes and over the whole earth. When He said "ALL power in heaven and in earth is given unto Me" He meant exactly what He said.

But most Christians today do not really believe this. They do not believe that Jesus Christ is just as much of a genuine reigning monarch as King Charles of England is. They do not believe that Jesus Christ is just as lawfully, legally, and actually, and personally the Chief Executive as much as if not more so than any current, past, or future President of the US.

Somehow, in the minds of most Christians, when Jesus ascended into heaven He left the "real world" and ascended into the realm of "fantasy and myth". He is viewed as "Lord" only metaphorically, not really truly and actually. He is Lord of some nice morals and ethical behaviour for those who choose to "take the leap of faith" and adopt the "Christian religion".

But the truth is He is Lord whether anyone believes in Him or not. He is the actual King of Israel. The real, legitimate, living, reigning monarch established by Israel's law and by God's decree. That means His kingdom is not just "a neat idea". It is a real, actual, lawful, legal, genuine, legitimate KINGDOM, with real laws and a real citizenship.

When people realise this, it changes their entire perspective on the whole subject of "politics".

Many try to say "religion and politics shouldn't mix" but that is silly. Politics is "how the nation should be governed." Religion is "how people should obey God". BOTH are "how are people to live"? The nation is the people, there is no such thing as a nation without people. Politics is always somebody's MORAL LAW being put into effect. Politics IS "religion" and vice versa.

If men are to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, then men's politics are to be governed by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Trying to stuff God into some cupboard of life separate from "politics" is an affront to God and a denial of His Godhood and His authority. It is literally treason against Christ.

If you recognise the Federal government as the lawful US government, then if you decided that you will only listen to the Federal government when it comes to your setting foot on say a US military base or a US Post Office, but otherwise you shall ignore federal law and in fact promote the idea that the Federal government has no say so whatsoever outside of the limits of Washington, DC, would you not be considered an insurrectionist? An outlaw? A rebel?

How much more so if you are a Christian, a citizen of the kingdom of Christ, and yet you think to let His enemies run everything outside of the four walls of your church building?

It is the enemies of Christ who invented the very concept of "separation of church and state". Caesar didn't care that Christians believed they would go to heaven when they died or that Jesus pardoned their sins. But Caesar most certainly DID care about the idea that Jesus is KING, that Jesus is THE SON OF GOD. Which has always been a very POLITICAL title.

When Christians discover that they have in fact enrolled in citizenship in an real actual kingdom, the Israel of GOD, and that Christ is REALLY KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS, they will begin to act like it, and begin to live as subjects of the King. They will advance the interests of Christ's Kingdom in all areas of life, including whatever "political life" they might be involved in.

And the enemies of the Gospel are actually scared of THAT happening, far more than they give one whit or hoot about whether or not you "go to church" or what you believe about the "afterlife" or whatever other belief you may hold. Believe what you want, they say, as long as nobody else has to pay you any mind.

Great post Esias. And great reminder…
Thank u for that.





7 Of the increase of his government and of peace
there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
to establish it and to uphold it
with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and forevermore.

[Tithesmeister]

Here is what Jesus said about His Kingdom.

John.18

[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

His kingdom is not of this world.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Here is what Jesus said about His Kingdom.

John.18

[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

His kingdom is not of this world.

Now please explain what this means in light of the subject being discussed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes indeed, that's the message.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Now please explain what this means in light of the subject being discussed.

It’s really quite simple. You have started a position that Jesus clearly disagrees with. His kingdom is not of this world. You are describing an earthly or worldly kingdom. You’re wrong.

Does that clear things up?

Of His kingdom there shall be no end.

2Pet.3

[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This world is going to be toast.

[Amanah]

The Church reigns with Jesus on the earth:

Revelation 11:15
"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Psalm 2:8
"Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

Matthew 5:5
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

Revelation 21:1-4
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away... And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Eden is restored on the earth:
Revelation 22:1-5
"And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb... And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him."

The church will inherit the earth and reign with Christ:

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?"

Revelation 5:10
"And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

It’s really quite simple. You have started a position that Jesus clearly disagrees with. His kingdom is not of this world. You are describing an earthly or worldly kingdom. You’re wrong.

Does that clear things up?

Of His kingdom there shall be no end.

2Pet.3

[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This world is going to be toast.

2 Peter 3 uses apocalyptic language that signifies a new creation, new heaven and earth as described in Revelation 21-22.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

It’s really quite simple. You have started a position that Jesus clearly disagrees with. His kingdom is not of this world. You are describing an earthly or worldly kingdom. You’re wrong.

Does that clear things up?

Of His kingdom there shall be no end.

2Pet.3

[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This world is going to be toast.

Well I was hoping you would actually explain HOW the verse pertains to the subject. But instead you just said "Nope, Jesus said you are wrong. Period."

So, my reply to you is "Nope, Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles, all say YOU are wrong."

See that "period" mark at the end of the sentence above? That means "PERIOD."

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

This world is going to be toast.

This world as in this planet? This world as we know it? Or this world as this system? This world as this country? Just asking as to what exactly will be toast?

[diakonos]

Thy kingdom come

Thy will be done

On….

Some place…

As it is in heaven