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Old 05-20-2008, 08:49 PM
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Re: Should U.S. Share Guilt For China Abortions?

So your saying that the loss of my 18 yr old daughter is less of an emotional loss to me because I still have a younger daughter living? Well let me go right now to give my wife the good news.





You lose more respect with every new thread you start chris.
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:52 PM
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So your saying that the loss of my 18 yr old daughter is less of an emotional loss to me because I still have a younger daughter living? Well let me go right now to give my wife the good news.





You lose more respect with every new thread you start chris.

Do you know Scotty, that after my daughter died, people actually came up to me and said, well at least you have more children. Yeah I avoided going to town a lot, I know they didn't mean it the way it sounded, but it just dumbfounded me how insensitive people could be. As if one child could replace another.
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So your saying that the loss of my 18 yr old daughter is less of an emotional loss to me because I still have a younger daughter living? Well let me go right now to give my wife the good news.





You lose more respect with every new thread you start chris.
Scotty...where in the world did you get the idea that I said anything like that?

My point is that China has mandated abortion and has forced untold thousands of women into abortion. Now untold thousands of these families are facing additional trauma after having lost their only child.

Don't you see what's happening in China? Can't you "feel" the spiritual temperature and magnitude of what's happened there?

Brother...I started this thread on 4/26/08. This subject was causing me significant torment in my soul. I brought it up on several other threads also. I posted this in the hopes of hearing some conscience among us on this issue. It's too late for them, but not for us...I pray.
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Do you know Scotty, that after my daughter died, people actually came up to me and said, well at least you have more children. Yeah I avoided going to town a lot, I know they didn't mean it the way it sounded, but it just dumbfounded me how insensitive people could be. As if one child could replace another.
Yes ma'am , we heard the same thing. Just makes you wonder sometimes.
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Scotty...where in the world did you get the idea that I said anything like that?

My point is that China has mandated abortion and forced women into abortion. Now untold thousands of these families are facing additional trauma having lost their only child.

Don't you see what's happening in China? Can't you "feel" the spiritual temperature and magnitude of what's happened there?

Brother...I started this thread on 4/26/08. This subject was causing me significant torment in my soul. I brought it up on several threads also. I posted this in the hopes of hearing some conscience among us on this issue. It's too late for them, but not for us...at least I hope so.
I do understand some of the points you are trying to make Brother Hall. And I think it is wonderful that you have a burden for the world. My question is do you think we as a people can change OUR government's trade policies with China?
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Old 05-20-2008, 09:22 PM
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I do understand some of the points you are trying to make Brother Hall. And I think it is wonderful that you have a burden for the world. My question is do you think we as a people can change OUR government's trade policies with China?
No. I doubt we could do much to change trade policies.

But...as we speak there is much anguish being felt and much pressure on the Chinese government over the issue. Now is the time to hit our knees and go to war, praying that China change it's policies in this area in some measure, in the hopes that God relents.

Now is also a time to consider that if we do not pray for changes in China... and we do not pray for our own nation's willingness to ignore the most blatant of human rights violations for profit... we may very well be next in line to reap the whirlwind. The stars shall fall from over America, the sun shall become black and the moon will not give her light. And the merchants who were made rich by her idolatry and materialism will hide in the dens and in the rocks. There they shall weep as their gold becomes cankered and their garments moth eaten. As the LORD smote the gods of Egypt so shall he smite the god of America, for much of her profits are drenched in the blood of children and the tears of the oppressed.
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Do you know Scotty, that after my daughter died, people actually came up to me and said, well at least you have more children. Yeah I avoided going to town a lot, I know they didn't mean it the way it sounded, but it just dumbfounded me how insensitive people could be. As if one child could replace another.
People often just don't know what to say. Maybe the best thing to say is "I know there is probably nothing I can say that will make things better but I just want you to know I will be praying for you"
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Re: Should U.S. Share Guilt For China Abortions?

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So your saying that the loss of my 18 yr old daughter is less of an emotional loss to me because I still have a younger daughter living? Well let me go right now to give my wife the good news.





You lose more respect with every new thread you start chris.
This is how you find yourself into it with people, Scotty. He said no such thing.
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:04 AM
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Re: Should U.S. Share Guilt For China Abortions?

Chris,

You can't have it both ways. You claim abortion in America is due primarily to the fact that there are poor people who do not have enough and so they abort. Then you turn around and say that America is responsible for Chinese abortions because we have caused too much economic growth. Which is it my friend wealth or poverty? Or should we just tax everyone until we are equally poor to stop abortions. Can America do anything right?
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:22 AM
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Re: Should U.S. Share Guilt For China Abortions?

Since Yuppie Americans adopt thousands of Chinese babies a year; I would say the abortion rate has little to nothing to do with America. A good percentage of American children have Chinese descent.
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