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If David was a puny little boy, why would King Saul want him to wear his armor to fight Goliath? David said he didnít have time to prove it, indicating he could wear it, but wasnít comfortable on his first time out.

Saul was head and shoulders above others. If thatís the case, then David couldnít have been as young or as small as some have described.

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How old was David when anointed by the prophet? How old was he when he slayed the giant?
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How old was David when anointed by the prophet? How old was he when he slayed the giant?
I only read that he was about 20 years old.

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Question.

If David was a puny little boy, why would King Saul want him to wear his armor to fight Goliath? David said he didnít have time to prove it, indicating he could wear it, but wasnít comfortable on his first time out.

Saul was head and shoulders above others. If thatís the case, then David couldnít have been as young or as small as some have described.

What say you?
The Bible says that David was a youth. I think that would mean probably mid to late teens. He was also described as a stripling by Goliath, which is consistent with someone who is not yet a mature man. I donít know of anything to indicate that he was not an alpha male though. I believe he was.

Another interesting side note is that Jonathan and David were great friends. It is often implied that they were of about the same age. They werenít. Jonathan was much older. In fact he was probably old enough to be Davidís father.
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The Bible says that David was a youth. I think that would mean probably mid to late teens. He was also described as a stripling by Goliath, which is consistent with someone who is not yet a mature man. I donít know of anything to indicate that he was not an alpha male though. I believe he was.
Yes, a stripling compared to Goliath. Much I recall hearing was that he was a stripling to everyone else as well. He couldnít have been if Saul offered his armor. It means that Saul sized up David as being tall enough and big enough to wear it.

The NIV in I Samuel 17:42 seems to indicate that Goliath looked him over and was jealous of his health and good looks.

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Another interesting side note is that Jonathan and David were great friends. It is often implied that they were of about the same age. They werenít. Jonathan was much older. In fact he was probably old enough to be Davidís father.
I didnít know that about the age difference. Jonathan was wise to see that God wanted David as King and did all he could to make that happen. I can see why David could say that Jonathanís love for him was wonderful (pala-properly perhaps to separate, that is distinguish) surpassing the love (affection) of a woman.

It was as close as, but a separate type of affection that didnít involve sexuality.
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Question.

If David was a puny little boy, why would King Saul want him to wear his armor to fight Goliath? David said he didnít have time to prove it, indicating he could wear it, but wasnít comfortable on his first time out.

Saul was head and shoulders above others. If thatís the case, then David couldnít have been as young or as small as some have described.

What say you?
1 Samuel 16:11-19 KJV
And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he keepeth the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither. [12] And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. [13] Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. [14] But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. [15] And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. [16] Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. [17] And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. [18] Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Beth-lehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him. [19] Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.

David wasn't a little puny kid when he was anointed by Samuel and entered Saul's court.

1 Samuel 16:21 KJV
And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

He was immediately appointed as the king's armourbearer. This is not some little kid, no matter what Veggie Tales says.

According to Numbers 1:3, 20 years old was the minimum age for military service. David was identified as a "man of war" prior to killing Goliath, and afterwards was immediately placed in charge of a battalion (1000 soldiers). If he was under 20 it is highly likely somebody (especially Samuel the prophet of God and champion of "obedience is better than sacrifice") would have objected that he was not yet eligible for military service.

It is thus most likely that he was 20-21 years old when he killed Goliath. Such persons were often called "youths" (as was Absalom even though he was definitely older than 20). Goliath calling him a "boy" would just be an example of a giant warrior insulting a young challenger.
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1 Samuel 16:11-19 KJV
And Samuel said unto Jesse, Are here all thy children? And he said, There remaineth yet the youngest, and, behold, he keepeth the sheep. And Samuel said unto Jesse, Send and fetch him: for we will not sit down till he come hither. [12] And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he. [13] Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. [14] But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. [15] And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. [16] Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. [17] And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. [18] Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Beth-lehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him. [19] Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.

David wasn't a little puny kid when he was anointed by Samuel and entered Saul's court.

1 Samuel 16:21 KJV
And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.

He was immediately appointed as the king's armourbearer. This is not some little kid, no matter what Veggie Tales says.

According to Numbers 1:3, 20 years old was the minimum age for military service. David was identified as a "man of war" prior to killing Goliath, and afterwards was immediately placed in charge of a battalion (1000 soldiers). If he was under 20 it is highly likely somebody (especially Samuel the prophet of God and champion of "obedience is better than sacrifice") would have objected that he was not yet eligible for military service.

It is thus most likely that he was 20-21 years old when he killed Goliath. Such persons were often called "youths" (as was Absalom even though he was definitely older than 20). Goliath calling him a "boy" would just be an example of a giant warrior insulting a young challenger.
Where do you get that this took place before he killed Goliath? It seems to have some gaps in it. It seems that if David were already Saulís armor bearer, he would have not needed any introduction to David. I donít know. It doesnít seem clear to me.

And if he were twenty years old he wouldnít have been in the army already?
I dunno.

We do know that David actually became king at thirty.
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Where do you get that this took place before he killed Goliath? It seems to have some gaps in it. It seems that if David were already Saul’s armor bearer, he would have not needed any introduction to David. I don’t know. It doesn’t seem clear to me.

And if he were twenty years old he wouldn’t have been in the army already?
I dunno.

We do know that David actually became king at thirty.
1 Samuel 16:13-19 KJV
Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. [14] But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. [15] And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. [16] Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. [17] And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. [18] Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Beth-lehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him. [19] Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.

This was shortly after David was anointed by Samuel. Goliath shows up in chapter 17, the next chapter. I see no evidence ch 16 took place AFTER chapter 17.

As for David being in the army, he likely already was, since he was described by one of Saul's servants as a "man of war". The fact he shuttled between serving as a couriet for the army and tending his father's flocks is no impediment to this. Israel's military was generally a citizen militia. Somebody had to manage the homestead. David had three brothers in the army already, so it is not unreasonable that David would at that time be serving part time.

In ch 17 we read:

1 Samuel 17:15 KJV
But David went and returned from Saul to feed his father's sheep at Beth-lehem.

This was right before Goliath showed up. So ch 16 happened before 17.
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Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the Lord came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. [14] But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. [15] And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. [16] Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. [17] And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. [18] Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Beth-lehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him. [19] Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.

This was shortly after David was anointed by Samuel. Goliath shows up in chapter 17, the next chapter. I see no evidence ch 16 took place AFTER chapter 17.

As for David being in the army, he likely already was, since he was described by one of Saul's servants as a "man of war". The fact he shuttled between serving as a couriet for the army and tending his father's flocks is no impediment to this. Israel's military was generally a citizen militia. Somebody had to manage the homestead. David had three brothers in the army already, so it is not unreasonable that David would at that time be serving part time.

In ch 17 we read:

1 Samuel 17:15 KJV
But David went and returned from Saul to feed his father's sheep at Beth-lehem.

This was right before Goliath showed up. So ch 16 happened before 17.
You may be exactly right Esaias. But remember that David pointed out on his ďresumeĒ that he killed a lion and a bear. He didnít mention being a man of war. He became Sauls son in law after gathering two hundred foreskins of the Philistines. But this seems to be after he killed Goliath.
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