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Old 07-25-2021, 06:49 PM
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Seriously? Would I mention that here on this forum? No.
I was just checking to see if we could have their name to lift them up in prayer?
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Old 07-25-2021, 06:55 PM
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That is my view as well and it makes logical sense.

When I look at I Samuel 17:56, it says that Saul asked who the ďstriplingĒ was. Studying further, I read stripling described as a full grown youth. So, he wasnít a skinny sniveling kid.

The person (lol) said every place they check shows no one can determine Davidís age. However, I see Saulís servants, as Esaias wrote, describing him as old enough to be military age.

The person said they could have described him that way knowing about his victory against the lion and bear. And he may have had to fight marauding Philistines when keeping the sheep. Of course, I donít agree.

I feel that Saul offered his armor because he sized up David and saw he was large enough to wear it. David only said he couldnít wear it as he hadnít tested it.

The person said that David would have obeyed the King even if he knew the armor was too small. I donít agree with that. The other point the person made is that Saul could have been mocking David, as was his way, by having David try on the larger armor to show he was a kid. I think that is a stretch.

Anyway, putting all the scriptures together, military age in Numbers, servants describing him as a ďman of warĒ, a stripling being a full grown youth (18-20 years old, logically), Saul handing David his armor, and your description of Goliath points to a young man who was not a child by any means.
PO, good job. I am always please to see your posts. Whether, I agree or disagree. Here I agree with you. Now, take this to "the person" and spoon feed them some Bible logic.
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I had a person say that it is true that the minimum age was 20 years old, but Goliath still called David a boy,



How old was Goliath? Saul said Goliath had been a warrior since his youth. That appears to show he was older and would think a 20 year old was a boy to him.

The person also said that perhaps Saul was mocking David by telling him to try on his armor. I think thatís supposition. David did try to walk in the Armor, but did say he couldnít use it as he hadnít proved/tested it. He never said it didnít fit.

My thinking is that logically, Saul sized David up and believed he was large enough to fit into his armour. Thatís another indication, IMO, that he wasnít a little boy.

David was actually showing his wisdom and experience in warfare by rejecting what he had not trained in. A novice would have taken the advice of the king not realizing how his range of motion would be affected and also the increased weight limiting his speed and mobility.


Remember that Saul was head and shoulders above everyone else so not quite the size of Goliath but still a big dude.


Also, remember the stipulation Goliath gave? Why in the world would any military leader worth his salt allow a unarmored child with a slingshot put their future freedom at risk in a all or nothing one in one battle?


David had to have had the confidence of Saul in some way and Im guessing it was from previous battles he had witnessed David fight in.
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David was actually showing his wisdom and experience in warfare by rejecting what he had not trained in. A novice would have taken the advice of the king not realizing how his range of motion would be affected and also the increased weight limiting his speed and mobility.


Remember that Saul was head and shoulders above everyone else so not quite the size of Goliath but still a big dude.


Also, remember the stipulation Goliath gave? Why in the world would any military leader worth his salt allow a unarmored child with a slingshot put their future freedom at risk in a all or nothing one in one battle?


David had to have had the confidence of Saul in some way and Im guessing it was from previous battles he had witnessed David fight in.
Evidently Saul didnít know David when he slew Goliath.

1 Samuel

[55] And when Saul saw David go forth against the Philistine, he said unto Abner, the captain of the host, Abner, whose son is this youth? And Abner said, As thy soul liveth, O king, I cannot tell.
[56] And the king said, Inquire thou whose son the stripling is.
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Evidently Saul didnít know David when he slew Goliath.

1 Samuel

[55] And when Saul saw David go forth against the Philistine, he said unto Abner, the captain of the host, Abner, whose son is this youth? And Abner said, As thy soul liveth, O king, I cannot tell.
[56] And the king said, Inquire thou whose son the stripling is.

In the previous chapter however, it speaks of him sending a donkey laden down with bread and bottle of wine to Jesse when David is brought to the house of Saul to play the harp so that the evil spirit would leave him.


So they HAD met because Saul tells Jesse, Davids father that David had found favor in his sight.


Whats interesting is that after David slays Goliath and they are back in the court of Saul, Saul begins to prophesy...and the word in this case seems to indicate that its the evil spirit causing him to prophesy falsely...could it be that Saul in his spiritually bankrupt state had something similar to alzheimers or dementia?


That would answer the question of why he didnt remember David after already meeting him earlier in the text and David finding favor in his sight and he also made such an impression that he sends a large amount of food and a bottle of wine to Davids father in repayment.
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I was just checking to see if we could have their name to lift them up in prayer?
Oh, right. Well, in that case the name isÖ..
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PO, good job. I am always please to see your posts. Whether, I agree or disagree. Here I agree with you. Now, take this to "the person" and spoon feed them some Bible logic.


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David was actually showing his wisdom and experience in warfare by rejecting what he had not trained in. A novice would have taken the advice of the king not realizing how his range of motion would be affected and also the increased weight limiting his speed and mobility.


Remember that Saul was head and shoulders above everyone else so not quite the size of Goliath but still a big dude.


Also, remember the stipulation Goliath gave? Why in the world would any military leader worth his salt allow a unarmored child with a slingshot put their future freedom at risk in a all or nothing one in one battle?


David had to have had the confidence of Saul in some way and Im guessing it was from previous battles he had witnessed David fight in.
I believe that Goliathís perception, as the Bible states, was not about his military equipment or lack thereof. The Bible shows that Goliath was focused on Davidís appearance. From Goliathís years of military experience (ďa man of war from his youthĒ), he rightly viewed David as having none. Therefore, he called him a youth. Not a grown experienced man as himself. I believe today that an experienced soldier would view a 24 year old as but a youth.

My opinion is that the only confidence Saul had in David was that David had confidence in God and himself.
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