If vaccines work...

jfrog · #1 08-12-2021, 08:44 PM

If vaccines work and actually protect the vaccinated from severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, then why does it matter that some other person chooses to be unvaccinated?

Evang.Benincasa · #2 08-12-2021, 10:03 PM

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If vaccines work and actually protect the vaccinated from severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, then why does it matter that some other person chooses to be unvaccinated?

Therein lies the rub.

Esaias · #3 08-12-2021, 10:35 PM

Oh they work alright. Just not "as advertised."

Truthseeker · #4 08-13-2021, 12:19 PM

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If vaccines work and actually protect the vaccinated from severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, then why does it matter that some other person chooses to be unvaccinated?

More vaccinated means less severe symptoms and esser time to be contagious, which means less severe infections over all and maybe faster end to the pandemic.

My wife and daughter just had it, my daughter was vaccinated and my wife wasn't.

We are starting to see more covid patients where I work and the local hospitals are filling up with them.

Jito463 · #5 08-13-2021, 01:03 PM

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my wife was vaccinated and my wife wasn't.

Is she Schrodinger's wife?

Truthseeker · #6 08-13-2021, 01:15 PM

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Is she Schrodinger's wife?

Oops 😬 I meant my daughter was vaccinated and my wife was not.

JoeBandy · #7 08-14-2021, 06:04 AM

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If vaccines work and actually protect the vaccinated from severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, then why does it matter that some other person chooses to be unvaccinated?

I have asked the same question. I have seen some very angry post on social media from people who are vaccinated toward unvaccinated. Why are they so angry? What are they scared of? If they believe that the vaccine works are they not protected? If they are so against the unvaccinated then leave us alone.. if your theory is correct then we will all die off.

JoeBandy · #8 08-14-2021, 06:09 AM

Another thing ... The same group that was screaming "voter suppression" because ID's are just so hard to get for rural and poor and minorities are now pushing for vaccination cards. "They are just so easy to get . You can even get them on your phone."

JoeBandy · #9 08-14-2021, 06:11 AM

Now .. here is my conspiracy theory. What if the vaccine is really a true vaccine .. just not for COVID but for another planned virus release that will happen in the future and eliminate all those unvacced???

jfrog · #10 08-14-2021, 07:27 AM

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More vaccinated means less severe symptoms and esser time to be contagious,

Agreed - well at least for the initial strain. We really aren't sure if the vaccine or natural immunity will be better for the variants that are coming. In fact, there's even some questions about whether the vaccine is the catalyst for some of these variants. Normal immune response tends to be a bit more 'broad spectrum'. This vaccine is very specific in what it tells your body to fight against and a totally different kind of vaccine than those that came before it. Meaning, vaccinated people may actually be helping drive up the number of 'vaccine resistant' variants.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/96570...vid-19-mutants

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which means less severe infections over all and maybe faster end to the pandemic.

The initial hope was that herd immunity either via vaccination or natural immunity would be enough to end the pandemic. There's some serious questions on whether either of those things are achievable now due to the rise in covid-19 variants all over the world. It's conceivable that the pandemic will never be 'over'. That ultimately we are just going to have to learn to live with it.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-...-immunity.html

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My wife and daughter just had it, my daughter was vaccinated and my wife wasn't.

We are starting to see more covid patients where I work and the local hospitals are filling up with them.

Yep. And it's terrible and sad. But I think it's a distinct possibility we will ultimately harm more people by locking everything down. Poor, hungry and stressed people statistically have much worse medical outcomes afterall.

#TheScienceIsn'tSettled