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Old 06-05-2014, 08:26 AM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

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In all my years in a certain organization, I experienced uniformity, but not unity. I would rather have unity any day of the week.
Well said and I agree.
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Old 06-05-2014, 03:01 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

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In all my years in a certain organization, I experienced uniformity, but not unity. I would rather have unity any day of the week.
Hmmm. I experience Unity all the time. We come together for a church service at the same time and same place..

That's Unity.

We pitch in together to raise money.

That's Unity

We pray for each other.

That's Unity

We send out text msgs and facebook posts whenever a brother or sister has a problem we need to pray for or help them with.

That's Unity.

We fast together.

That's Unity.

And like I said, Uniformity is a synonym of Unity. Sayng "I experienced Uniformity but not Unity" is a contradiction. Or you just need to go learneth whateth that meaneth
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Old 06-05-2014, 03:02 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

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The fact that we are calling this a doctrine is another shame.
lol...I thought that but didn't post it

However it is a "doctrine". It's HIS doctrine/Teaching but clearly not a biblical doctrine
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Old 06-05-2014, 03:56 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

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lol...I thought that but didn't post it

However it is a "doctrine". It's HIS doctrine/Teaching but clearly not a biblical doctrine
Teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men.

This was the eternal battle between Jesus and the Pharisees.

The Pharisees had with their "good intentions" added unto the Law, when God had said. "You shall not add unto my word"

What part of "You shall not add unto my word" is hard to understand?

These preachers do not seem to understand that they have the same problem that these Pharisees had, they add unto the word of God.

Their adding unto the word of God is a much worse sin than a woman wearing pants.

These Holiness preachers are actually committing a grievious sin, because by their commandments they eventually make the word of God of none effect.
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Old 06-05-2014, 04:25 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

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Teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men.

This was the eternal battle between Jesus and the Pharisees.

The Pharisees had with their "good intentions" added unto the Law, when God had said. "You shall not add unto my word"

What part of "You shall not add unto my word" is hard to understand?

These preachers do not seem to understand that they have the same problem that these Pharisees had, they add unto the word of God.

Their adding unto the word of God is a much worse sin than a woman wearing pants.

These Holiness preachers are actually committing a grievious sin, because by their commandments they eventually make the word of God of none effect.

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Old 06-05-2014, 05:19 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

I don't recall ever hearing the term "facial hair" until the last few years around Apostolics. The Bible speaks of a "beard". Maybe they changed the term so they could preach against it under the guise of it being "long hair"?
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Old 06-05-2014, 05:21 PM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

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Teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men.

This was the eternal battle between Jesus and the Pharisees.

The Pharisees had with their "good intentions" added unto the Law, when God had said. "You shall not add unto my word"

What part of "You shall not add unto my word" is hard to understand?

These preachers do not seem to understand that they have the same problem that these Pharisees had, they add unto the word of God.

Their adding unto the word of God is a much worse sin than a woman wearing pants.

These Holiness preachers are actually committing a grievious sin, because by their commandments they eventually make the word of God of none effect.
Let us not call them "holiness preachers". If anything a beard is "holy" to the Lord. They are actually false teachers. That would be a better term.
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Old 06-05-2014, 07:06 PM
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Wow, wow, wow - what a crazy system.
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:03 AM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

We're goin off the rails on a crazy train...
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Old 06-06-2014, 05:40 AM
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Re: Marty Ballestero doesn't LIKE facial hair on m

There's a difference between unity and conformity. Most who are/were a part of the UPC/ALJC or (insert organization here) conformed to the community requirements to be a part of that social structure. It was an illusion of unity.
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