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Old 02-20-2009, 12:09 PM
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Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

I mean as a whole, as a people regardless of what they are wearing, are Jesus name people different?

I think so, and will tell you why.


I think there is a difference in being baptize in Jesus name and filled with his spirit that being baptized in the titles.

I think there is an over coming power in the name of Jesus that you do not find in the titles.

The bible says 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

If you are in Christ you are a new creature, I think if you are NOT a new creature you are NOT in Christ.


Why am I saying this or bringing this up???(if anyone happens to read this far)

Because I have been doing an ongoing bible study at the Recovery House on our church property-

I am using the Celebrate Recovery Bible and I am really struggling with some the stuff that it believes as far as salvation.

It believes in repeating the sinners prayer (where did anyone ever do this in the book of acts?)

It also believes in eternal security--I am not teaching this!


I see the result of faulty wishy washy Jail teaching ok, and it does not produce over coming Christians.

At some point, if we are not living over coming lives we have to be able to look at our convertion or what we believe and see why we fail.

I do not think repeating the sinners prayer gives people the power to live over coming lives, I just don't.

But I do see people that have been baptized in Jesus name living over coming lives time and time again.

So what do you think, do you think there is a difference or not?
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:29 PM
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Re: Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

Does anyone do any kind of a Jail ministry or work with recovering addicts?

What are some of your experiences?
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:36 PM
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Re: Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

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Does anyone do any kind of a Jail ministry or work with recovering addicts?

What are some of your experiences?
No, but I've heard reports of such things in my Trinny Pente (AG) days. Do you think their stories are less spectacular than Oneness stories? Or theirs are bogus and yours are not? Or, well, what exactly are you saying?
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:42 PM
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No, but I've heard reports of such things in my Trinny Pente (AG) days. Do you think their stories are less spectacular than Oneness stories? Or theirs are bogus and yours are not? Or, well, what exactly are you saying?
Perhaps not as dramatic. Not as Dramatic in spectacular-but dramatic as in seeing change in their lives.

I have had these women come in with very little power over drugs or really understanding spiritual things. Become different people before our eyes. Especially those who have been baptized.

I have seen a drastic difference.
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Does anyone do any kind of a Jail ministry or work with recovering addicts?

What are some of your experiences?
My brother, David, is ALJC and lives in Anderson, Indiana...his pastor is Elder Danny St. Clair. It's a fine church with a great pastor, and David, along with others assisting him have worked with the jail ministry twice a week for 15 years.

In the past year he has baptized nearly 200 souls, with many receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

He and the church have earned the respect of the authorities, and they have given David the opportunity to more or less preach at will. Some of those who have been Spirit filled teach Bible studies during the week when David is not there.

David and my SIL take food in at different times, serving full meals at Christmas and Thanksgiving, and my SIL will every now and then send homemade cookies with David.

I am so happy at the way he is letting the Lord use him...
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Old 02-20-2009, 09:23 PM
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My brother, David, is ALJC and lives in Anderson, Indiana...his pastor is Elder Danny St. Clair. It's a fine church with a great pastor, and David, along with others assisting him have worked with the jail ministry twice a week for 15 years.

In the past year he has baptized nearly 200 souls, with many receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

He and the church have earned the respect of the authorities, and they have given David the opportunity to more or less preach at will. Some of those who have been Spirit filled teach Bible studies during the week when David is not there.

David and my SIL take food in at different times, serving full meals at Christmas and Thanksgiving, and my SIL will every now and then send homemade cookies with David.

I am so happy at the way he is letting the Lord use him...
Awesome report!

We have been running from the mid thirties to low fifties in our Detention Center #3 services on Thursday nights over the last 4 years. We are baptizing around 60 to 70 a year. I have guys that do not miss a service. It's a church. Some on the inmates have bible studies going with other inmates and they have been given one night every two weeks to have a prison wide prayer meeting.Many have received the Holy Ghost and have been baptized in Jesus Name.

One week ago a guy came into the service at 15 minutes before it ended. Sat on the front row. As soon as the altar call had been given he came up and began to talk to one of the Brother's that shares the service duties with me. He was very depressed and upset. As Bro. Mike prayed for him the Spirit began to move and I came over in time to hear him speaking in tongues. I talked to him about being baptized and he said yes. We have to go to the front desk and wait for the inmates to come up so we can take them out onto the Sally Port where the tank is. As we where standing there the new guy was told he could use the phone to call his fiancee. I was amazed because that is not the usual way things are done. He got to call and tell her how to get minutes on her cell phone to be able to talk with him when he called. That was one of the reasons for his depression. After he was baptized he asked me if it was because of the water bring cold, I asked what he meant. He said that everything was glowing! He had told me on the way out that he had never felt anything like what he felt when we had prayed. Said it was from his head to his feet! Another young man that was baptized that night asked if I'd pray that he would fine favor in court. This was a week ago. Last night he told us that when he went to court that many of the charges where thrown out and he was given 15 more days, when he thought he'd be getting years.

I have just started a bible study at the Work Release Facility (DC2). The guys there are allowed to work a shift then they have to report back to prison. I had 5 attending last Tuesday night.

Please pray for these men and facilities.
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Re: Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

I know RevDWW has experience in the prisons ..

Here are some testimonies of some prisoners who have said the sinner's prayer and not baptized in Jesus name living overcoming lives ...

http://www.alphapm.org/testimonies.htm

A repentant life submitted and trusting Christ is a new life, Liz.

I won't find a sinner's prayer, a baptism with the name of Jesus verbally invoked over baptizee, or someone being "prayed through" ...

But like Acts .... a life in Christ ... is made new.

This not the result of properly administred baptisms .... sorry.

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I know RevDWW has experience in the prisons ..

Here are some testimonies of some prisoners who have said the sinner's prayer and not baptized in Jesus name living overcoming lives ...

http://www.alphapm.org/testimonies.htm

A repentant life submitted and trusting Christ is a new life, Liz.

I won't find a sinner's prayer, a baptism with the name of Jesus verbally invoked over baptizee, or someone being "prayed through" ...

But like Acts .... a life in Christ ... is made new.
Great thanks for the link I will be sure to read it-

Daniel have you personally worked with segment of society?

Ok, please explain what you mean by the embolden statement??
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I know RevDWW has experience in the prisons ..

Here are some testimonies of some prisoners who have said the sinner's prayer and not baptized in Jesus name living overcoming lives ...

http://www.alphapm.org/testimonies.htm

A repentant life submitted and trusting Christ is a new life, Liz.

I won't find a sinner's prayer, a baptism with the name of Jesus verbally invoked over baptizee, or someone being "prayed through" ...

But like Acts .... a life in Christ ... is made new.

This not the result of properly administred baptisms .... sorry.

Don't confuse your circle of fellowship w/ the Body.

I won't dispute the point that most likely the baptizer didn't speak the name of Jesus over someone, but most likely the baptizee called on the name himself. Acts 22:16, and which is fullfillment of Romans 10:9, but there is something significant identifying with and be baptized into the body or death of Jesus. Romans 6 details this much better than any arguement. As you have stated in many threads, 2 commands 1 gift to be received. To know a command and not obey that same command to be baptized is sin and a demonstration of unbelief which will keep one out of the kingdom.
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Old 02-20-2009, 12:53 PM
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Re: Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

I know that there is a branch of the Walk to Emmaus (the Upper Room version of it Emmaus, not the one I've heard about on here) that goes into prisons and does Emmaus Walk weekends with the prisoners. We have them here twice a year. The prison officials welcome us with open arms because they have seen the evidence of the lives changed. I've heard testimony after testimony from men who have been on these Walks while in prison, who have no hope of ever leaving the prison, but who years later are still walking strong for God. I think that if God can keep them strong in that kind of a situation, they've obviously latched onto something pretty powerful. No, they are not baptized in Jesus' name. No, they've never heard Oneness teaching (or probably trinity teaching either for that matter). But their lives have been changed and have remained changed. That says a ton to me.
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