Jail house Christianity and Jesus Name People

Elizabeth · #1 02-20-2009, 12:09 PM

I mean as a whole, as a people regardless of what they are wearing, are Jesus name people different?

I think so, and will tell you why.

I think there is a difference in being baptize in Jesus name and filled with his spirit that being baptized in the titles.

I think there is an over coming power in the name of Jesus that you do not find in the titles.

The bible says 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

If you are in Christ you are a new creature, I think if you are NOT a new creature you are NOT in Christ.

Why am I saying this or bringing this up???(if anyone happens to read this far)

Because I have been doing an ongoing bible study at the Recovery House on our church property-

I am using the Celebrate Recovery Bible and I am really struggling with some the stuff that it believes as far as salvation.

It believes in repeating the sinners prayer (where did anyone ever do this in the book of acts?)

It also believes in eternal security--I am not teaching this!

I see the result of faulty wishy washy Jail teaching ok, and it does not produce over coming Christians.

At some point, if we are not living over coming lives we have to be able to look at our convertion or what we believe and see why we fail.

I do not think repeating the sinners prayer gives people the power to live over coming lives, I just don't.

But I do see people that have been baptized in Jesus name living over coming lives time and time again.

So what do you think, do you think there is a difference or not?

Elizabeth · #2 02-20-2009, 12:29 PM

Does anyone do any kind of a Jail ministry or work with recovering addicts?

What are some of your experiences?

SDG · #3 02-20-2009, 12:34 PM

I know RevDWW has experience in the prisons ..

Here are some testimonies of some prisoners who have said the sinner's prayer and not baptized in Jesus name living overcoming lives ...

http://www.alphapm.org/testimonies.htm

A repentant life submitted and trusting Christ is a new life, Liz.

I won't find a sinner's prayer, a baptism with the name of Jesus verbally invoked over baptizee, or someone being "prayed through" ...

But like Acts .... a life in Christ ... is made new.

This not the result of properly administred baptisms .... sorry.

Don't confuse your circle of fellowship w/ the Body.

Timmy · #4 02-20-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Does anyone do any kind of a Jail ministry or work with recovering addicts?

What are some of your experiences?

No, but I've heard reports of such things in my Trinny Pente (AG) days. Do you think their stories are less spectacular than Oneness stories? Or theirs are bogus and yours are not? Or, well, what exactly are you saying?

Elizabeth · #5 02-20-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I know RevDWW has experience in the prisons ..

Here are some testimonies of some prisoners who have said the sinner's prayer and not baptized in Jesus name living overcoming lives ...

http://www.alphapm.org/testimonies.htm

A repentant life submitted and trusting Christ is a new life, Liz.

I won't find a sinner's prayer, a baptism with the name of Jesus verbally invoked over baptizee, or someone being "prayed through" ...

But like Acts .... a life in Christ ... is made new.

Great thanks for the link I will be sure to read it-

Daniel have you personally worked with segment of society?

Ok, please explain what you mean by the embolden statement??

Elizabeth · #6 02-20-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

No, but I've heard reports of such things in my Trinny Pente (AG) days. Do you think their stories are less spectacular than Oneness stories? Or theirs are bogus and yours are not? Or, well, what exactly are you saying?

Perhaps not as dramatic. Not as Dramatic in spectacular-but dramatic as in seeing change in their lives.

I have had these women come in with very little power over drugs or really understanding spiritual things. Become different people before our eyes. Especially those who have been baptized.

I have seen a drastic difference.

KWSS1976 · #7 02-20-2009, 12:44 PM

My thing is whan you repent is that not a sinners prayer... Mine was I prayed to god to forgive me so I had a sinners prayer...

Pastor Keith · #8 02-20-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I know RevDWW has experience in the prisons ..

Here are some testimonies of some prisoners who have said the sinner's prayer and not baptized in Jesus name living overcoming lives ...

http://www.alphapm.org/testimonies.htm

A repentant life submitted and trusting Christ is a new life, Liz.

I won't find a sinner's prayer, a baptism with the name of Jesus verbally invoked over baptizee, or someone being "prayed through" ...

But like Acts .... a life in Christ ... is made new.

This not the result of properly administred baptisms .... sorry.

Don't confuse your circle of fellowship w/ the Body.

I won't dispute the point that most likely the baptizer didn't speak the name of Jesus over someone, but most likely the baptizee called on the name himself. Acts 22:16, and which is fullfillment of Romans 10:9, but there is something significant identifying with and be baptized into the body or death of Jesus. Romans 6 details this much better than any arguement. As you have stated in many threads, 2 commands 1 gift to be received. To know a command and not obey that same command to be baptized is sin and a demonstration of unbelief which will keep one out of the kingdom.

Elizabeth · #9 02-20-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Don't confuse your circle of fellowship w/ the Body.

To tell you the truth my biggest influence is myself and God's word.

I do not have the authority to change the forumla God gave the Apostles.

They taught repentence,

They taught baptism

They taught on the baptism of Holy Spirit.

Really has nothing to do with my circle of influence--

The results rather speak for them selves though.

Elizabeth · #10 02-20-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

My thing is whan you repent is that not a sinners prayer... Mine was I prayed to god to forgive me so I had a sinners prayer...

Well this is a sincere prayer of repentence and think there is a difference -than perhaps mindlessly repeating what someone tells you to say.

But some believe this ALL you have to do, they tell them it is so easy- to do, thats it you are saved.

I do not see this in scripture sorry-