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07-31-2008, 08:34 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
Dead on AB...
Many people are operating under the peanut brittle blessing. Here a little there a little. God didn't call His church to make that awful stuff... God called us to be the head and not the tail. That means financially as well as spiritually.
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Does anyone MAKE THEM GIVE? You know it is ALWAYS the ones that give the least that gripe the most.
If they don't give to our ministry - they have not ONE right to open their mouth about how one dime is spent.
You just want to judge them. It is none of your business to start with.
What does someone even have a clue about spending millions of $$$ if they have never even seen a million? NOTHING!
These men run multi-million $$$ corporations.
How do you know what YOU would do if given a million $$$?
It is a shame and a disgrace how some on here run their mouths about ministers that are helping more people in a DAY than you help in a lifetime!
Shame on you!
I could expose so many of the officials and former officials at WEC and Superintendents for the double dipping and spending money like it was going out of style and using men to come in to raise millions and give them a pittance. PURE THIEVERY! Filthy mouths and nasty talk night and day and the disrespect of good men that love God but would not lie for them.
Some wonder why good men leave - its the DOUBLE STANDARD! HYPOCRISY!
If you want to talk about ABUSE in MINISTRY - I could write a book about places I have been where ALL of you know them - but at least their wives don't cut their hair! Well, not where you can see it anyhow!
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07-31-2008, 08:39 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Dead on AB...
Many people are operating under the peanut brittle blessing. Here a little there a little. God didn't call His church to make that awful stuff... God called us to be the head and not the tail. That means financially as well as spiritually.
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But you gotta admit that peanut brittle is some of the best!
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07-31-2008, 09:13 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop
I pray that God continues to bless The Copeland's, The Dollars, Mike Murdock and others that are GIVERS in life. GOD BLESS THEM ALL!
I get so weary of hearing these DEADBEATS that have never accomplished anything in their lives and are always begging for a meeting or a hand out - being so CRITICAL of those that GIVE and are BLESSED for it!
Who cares that YOU have a problem Jason? Stay broke, busted, disgusted and depressed and see how many people YOU help.
Its always the ones sitting on the sidelines that think they know the most.
If you didn't give anything - you should uhhhhh - NOT SAY ANYTHING!!
You have NO RIGHT to be critical of them and what business is it of yours?
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thanks for the kind words "bishop" I was not speaking on my behalf, I am not the one who lived in someones backyard with my family and gave all my money to copeland-but one of my employees did, and got basically NO SUPPORT from that rich church.
Am I wealthy, no. am I broke and without necessities, no. Am I depressed, busted, broke, no. Am I disgusted with this FAKE GOSPEL and those who abuse and take advantage of GOOD PEOPLE, Yes, absolutely.
I do have a right to be critical, when there are things that are blantantly against the scripture, someone needs to speak up. I live close to this church, I see people who go to this church, they speak often to me.
As I said Copeland should read Jeremiah, maybe you should too.
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07-31-2008, 09:23 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
AB are you getting kick backs?
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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07-31-2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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One of most abused scriptures in Pentecost. I'm supposed to tell God, I can't accept your blessing because some self righteous player hater doesn't think it is right. I don't think so. If I am given an opportunity for a multi million dollar home, you better believe I'll take it.
AB and Sandra maybe able to help me with figures. But when I studied out how much these televangelists make vs how much they pour back into the ministry, I say more power to them. Many of them pour somewhere between 40-80 percent of their income back into the ministry. And we want to whine and bellyache because they live in a multi-million dollar house. The only evil spoken is those of the playa haters and the pot stirrers. The preacher should live in the most expensive house in the neighborhood. His job is that important.
If the Bible says we can be rewarded 100 fold in THIS LIFE and in the LIFE to come, than a $6 million home shouldn't be out of the ordinary for a preacher. Who knows, maybe it was a crapper of a house before they fixed it up.
If I am a preacher and I am giving 40-80 percent of my income back into the kingdom of God, I'd salute the naysayers with one finger as I bask in the blessings of the Lord.
Why do we hate the tv preachers who make millions have discovered the principle, the blessings of the Lord maketh RICH... and adds NO SORROW to it?
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Sometimes the gullible maketh the tv preacher rich.
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07-31-2008, 10:07 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
Ephesians 4:17-21 ( KJV ) 17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, 18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: 19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness. 20 But ye have not so learned Christ; 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
What does Jesus have to say ?
Luke 12:13-34 ( KJV ) 13 And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. 16And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: 17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? 18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. 20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
22And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. 24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? 25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? 26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? 27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? 29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Yeap, that's what I thought, get a multi-million dollar mansion, fleece the flock, get all you can here and now.........NOT.
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08-01-2008, 05:31 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
40-60% of WHAT gets poured back into THEIR ministry? What the heck does that mean? Pour it out into someone else's ministry. Pour it out on the needy, don't pour it out into more television time. Where do you get these facts? Like I told AB if they are giving away millions WHOSE millions are they giving away? Their own or the millions that poor trusting and deluded suckers are giving them because they were promised via the false prosperity gospel that they will get rich quick by giving lots to these shysters?
If they are giving away millions someone show me the records and where that million is going. Did Creflo tell you this personally? I can't believe you guys are that naive.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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08-01-2008, 05:34 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
Those poor faithless Apostles. What suckers they were. All that time being poor, naked and beaten all for the gospel when God's plan all along was to set up their personal Kingdom with mansions and golden chariots. Those poor saps died for their faith. If only they can see how it was really supposed to happen Im sure they would be very upset
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-01-2008, 07:13 AM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Those poor faithless Apostles. What suckers they were. All that time being poor, naked and beaten all for the gospel when God's plan all along was to set up their personal Kingdom with mansions and golden chariots. Those poor saps died for their faith. If only they can see how it was really supposed to happen Im sure they would be very upset
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Hey, atleast Judas had it figured out, (up till the crucifixion).
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08-01-2008, 12:50 PM
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Re: Televangelist's Family Prosper's From Ministry
Oh yeah.....he would make a great televangelist
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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