More over-reacting to the "Light Doctrine"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

All trinitarians are lost, by Steve Epley. I think there have been three iterations of that thread on AFF.

Remember the old commercial of buying the world a coke and keeping it company? Well, the church became a parody of that, by broadening what the Bible was trying to do. Instead of the exclusive teachings of Christ and His apostles. It became the inclusive teachings of kinder gentler big idea, a new world order. Where everyone is happy, where no one is judged, motes are gently rubbed deeply into the eyes. Everyone is so kind, and as long as you believe in Jesus everything will be overlooked. Come as you are, and by all means stay just as you are. Sin is a given, and remember we are still human, and we will always sin, because after all, we can't help ourselves. Doctrine? No, doctrine divides. You want to believe Jesus wasn't God but had a god, and at some later point shared His body with His god. No problem, be welcome, and feel totally free to be yourself. We are all in a NO judgement zone.

[houston]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

This country is lost because the Church is lost in this country.

Wrong. The church is saved. Tares grow with the wheat.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

Wrong. The church is saved. Tares grow with the wheat.

Wheat is getting thin in this country.

Sadly, tares are growing at an alarming rate.

[votivesoul]

Never let an appeal to emotion interfere with an appeal to truth.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by houston

Wrong. The church is saved. Tares grow with the wheat.

I believe the Church is saved also. My point is the Church is hardly found today. In effort to fit in the world, many churches have lost their uniqness as the Body of Christ. Then the Jim Bakers, Jimmy Swagerts, and their like have helped make churches and preachers into the butt of a joke. So, sadly the wheat is lost among the tares. Adam's job was a gardener, so even the Garden of Eden needed some weeding, and if the Church wants to see more wheat than tares, it also needs to do some weeding. Even the Parable of the Sower speaks of this, for the quality of the seed was never in question, instead it was the preparation made to the soil. Thus, nothing truly grows and produces fruit without a separation from that which hinders spiritual growth. Tares with wheat or seed with untilled ground.

[Michael The Disciple]

But again I must ask the question is getting initially saved by Acts 2:38 ALL THERE IS to being saved in the end? Do the other teachings of Jesus Christ matter to our salvation?

Will the "Apostolic Preterist" who teaches that Jesus came in 70ad be saved.......and all the Trins lost? What about the OTHER THINGS?

You who mock the "light" doctrine now shutting out anyone else who is not "fully Apostolic" when it comes to Acts 2:38 and Oneness all seem to accept that very same "light doctrine" concerning everything else!

If we are "Apostolic" we can teach false doctrine about anything else and then say those who disagree with us on the other foundations are "good brothers" who just see things different we we do. So Apostolics DO INDEED accept the light doctrine...but only for themselves.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Never let an appeal to emotion interfere with an appeal to truth.

Amen, you are 100% correct.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

But again I must ask the question is getting initially saved by Acts 2:38 ALL THERE IS to being saved in the end? Do the other teachings of Jesus Christ matter to our salvation?

Will the "Apostolic Preterist" who teaches that Jesus came in 70ad be saved.......and all the Trins lost? What about the OTHER THINGS?

You who mock the "light" doctrine now shutting out anyone else who is not "fully Apostolic" when it comes to Acts 2:38 and Oneness all seem to accept that very same "light doctrine" concerning everything else!

If we are "Apostolic" we can teach false doctrine about anything else and then say those who disagree with us on the other foundations are "good brothers" who just see things different we we do. So Apostolics DO INDEED accept the light doctrine...but only for themselves.

Brother Michael, you don't accept the LIGHT DOCTRINE, because you DON'T believe that anyone is saved outside of what YOU deem to be salvational TRUTH.

Light doctrine simply teaches (as it is explained by early 20th century American Pentecostals) was that you are saved in all the doctrine that you knew at the time.

When Jesus was accused of casting out demons through the power of Beelzebub, He replied that Satan cannot cast out Satan. Because if Satan did that Satan would be fighting against himself. Therefore Jesus teaches that the kingdom of darkness is in lock step with itself. The children of darkness are wiser in their own generation than the children of light. The unjust steward made sure that he wasn't going to do any heavy lifting. But that with another man's money he would buy himself friends. Through the manipulation of his master's resources he gained favor, those he was giving breaks on their debts would in turn be obligated to him, instead of the master. The unjust steward was cooking the books. Jesus isn't commending the unjust steward and contradicting His own message. But Jesus is showing how the children of darkness use what belongs to the Master for only their own advantage. To win individuals over to their side, for THEIR benefit alone. We are to be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves. Not winning people over to be indebted to us and our cause, but to be indebted to Jesus Christ and His cause. We are always to be the good steward. Who when the Master sits down to table we still take care of His needs before our own.

Jesus through the idea of the Kingdom of darkness being unified and not fighting against each other makes a plain fact. You cannot win unless you are unified and solidified. Brother Michael, you are on Paltalk, AFF, and other social medias. You are there working on "Christians" not people who never heard of Jesus Christ, or your Hebrew rendition of YAH or Yashua, Yeshua, or whatever Hebrew guess word you may use. Please, I mean no offense to you. I'm sorry for our run ins in the past. Yet, I must state that everyone to some degree are strongly against any sort of "LiGHT DOCTRINE"

Preterism? Bro, you believe Pre Tribulation rapture and a teaching that the saints will not go through "great" tribulation is heresy. For you to make that statement you would then have to say that those who believe in Pre Tribulation rapture are lost as potatoes, along with any form of eschatology which YOU deem as false.

All I can do is go with the scripture, and fall upon it. Yet, making sure I bounce what I believe off of other men who are in my life to make sure I haven't run in vain. If brothers tell me I will burn, or be annihilated because of what I believe. They are only doing their job, as they see in the SCRIPTURE. Therefore they need to TEACH, by ANSWERING QUESTIONS. Not asking the person who they believe is WRONG and going to bust hell wide open the questions. Because if they don't have the ANSWERS, then who needs a life guard who can't swim. Two Witness Prophets? The Man Child Ministry? What are they? Who are they? The book of Revelation is clear in Revelation 22:18-19 that Jesus' testimony is that anyone adding to His words, or subtracting from His words are deader than fried chicken.

Two Witness Prophets? The Man Child Ministry? Are YOU right? Is the UPCI pastor who is in the biggest Apostolic Pentecostal church in your state right about the same subject? Can two wrongs make a right? Like Votivesoul posted "Never let an appeal to emotion interfere with an appeal to truth."

I want to make heaven my home, I want my family to go as well, but if all of you don't have your heads on straight? Then, sweet love of God, how on earth are you going to reach me? An individual who goes by the name of Coolio use these words in a song he rapped;

"Everybody's running, but half of them ain't lookin'
It's going on in the kitchen, but I don't know what's cookin'
They say I gotta learn, but nobody's here to teach me
If they can't understand it, how can they reach me?
I guess they can't, I guess they won't
I guess they front; that's why I know my life is out of luck, fool!"

No doubt, if you don't even understand it, how will you get me on YOUR path? If you can't explain it to me, how can I see YOUR light. Nope, you just say I'm lost. That's all fine and well, because that is where you stand.

You don't believe in Light Doctrine Brother Michael.

You don't.

In every generation which comes and goes is a small remnant.

Anyone who says they are that remnant will get the snot beat out of them on the daily.

Therefore no one wants to actually be part of that tiny groups. Tiny groups are demonized, and criticized in our culture. Most of the time it is for very good reasons. But you will agree that the largest Christian group on the planet isn't what you deem to be correct, and heaven bound. What about those people who are flipping beads, lighting candles, kissing icons. Are they saved in their light? Our tendency to emotion wants them to be as saved as the apostles. Yet, you and I know different.

No, Light Doctrine?

No body believes there is a light doctrine when they get hard pressed to answer the right questions.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother Michael, you don't accept the LIGHT DOCTRINE, because you DON'T believe that anyone is saved outside of what YOU deem to be salvational TRUTH.

Light doctrine simply teaches (as it is explained by early 20th century American Pentecostals) was that you are saved in all the doctrine that you knew at the time.

When Jesus was accused of casting out demons through the power of Beelzebub, He replied that Satan cannot cast out Satan. Because if Satan did that Satan would be fighting against himself. Therefore Jesus teaches that the kingdom of darkness is in lock step with itself. The children of darkness are wiser in their own generation than the children of light. The unjust steward made sure that he wasn't going to do any heavy lifting. But that with another man's money he would buy himself friends. Through the manipulation of his master's resources he gained favor, those he was giving breaks on their debts would in turn be obligated to him, instead of the master. The unjust steward was cooking the books. Jesus isn't commending the unjust steward and contradicting His own message. But Jesus is showing how the children of darkness use what belongs to the Master for only their own advantage. To win individuals over to their side, for THEIR benefit alone. We are to be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves. Not winning people over to be indebted to us and our cause, but to be indebted to Jesus Christ and His cause. We are always to be the good steward. Who when the Master sits down to table we still take care of His needs before our own.

Jesus through the idea of the Kingdom of darkness being unified and not fighting against each other makes a plain fact. You cannot win unless you are unified and solidified. Brother Michael, you are on Paltalk, AFF, and other social medias. You are there working on "Christians" not people who never heard of Jesus Christ, or your Hebrew rendition of YAH or Yashua, Yeshua, or whatever Hebrew guess word you may use. Please, I mean no offense to you. I'm sorry for our run ins in the past. Yet, I must state that everyone to some degree are strongly against any sort of "LiGHT DOCTRINE"

Preterism? Bro, you believe Pre Tribulation rapture and a teaching that the saints will not go through "great" tribulation is heresy. For you to make that statement you would then have to say that those who believe in Pre Tribulation rapture are lost as potatoes, along with any form of eschatology which YOU deem as false.

All I can do is go with the scripture, and fall upon it. Yet, making sure I bounce what I believe off of other men who are in my life to make sure I haven't run in vain. If brothers tell me I will burn, or be annihilated because of what I believe. They are only doing their job, as they see in the SCRIPTURE. Therefore they need to TEACH, by ANSWERING QUESTIONS. Not asking the person who they believe is WRONG and going to bust hell wide open the questions. Because if they don't have the ANSWERS, then who needs a life guard who can't swim. Two Witness Prophets? The Man Child Ministry? What are they? Who are they? The book of Revelation is clear in Revelation 22:18-19 that Jesus' testimony is that anyone adding to His words, or subtracting from His words are deader than fried chicken.

Two Witness Prophets? The Man Child Ministry? Are YOU right? Is the UPCI pastor who is in the biggest Apostolic Pentecostal church in your state right about the same subject? Can two wrongs make a right? Like Votivesoul posted "Never let an appeal to emotion interfere with an appeal to truth."

I want to make heaven my home, I want my family to go as well, but if all of you don't have your heads on straight? Then, sweet love of God, how on earth are you going to reach me? An individual who goes by the name of Coolio use these words in a song he rapped;

"Everybody's running, but half of them ain't lookin'
It's going on in the kitchen, but I don't know what's cookin'
They say I gotta learn, but nobody's here to teach me
If they can't understand it, how can they reach me?
I guess they can't, I guess they won't
I guess they front; that's why I know my life is out of luck, fool!"

No doubt, if you don't even understand it, how will you get me on YOUR path? If you can't explain it to me, how can I see YOUR light. Nope, you just say I'm lost. That's all fine and well, because that is where you stand.

You don't believe in Light Doctrine Brother Michael.

You don't.

In every generation which comes and goes is a small remnant.

Anyone who says they are that remnant will get the snot beat out of them on the daily.

Therefore no one wants to actually be part of that tiny groups. Tiny groups are demonized, and criticized in our culture. Most of the time it is for very good reasons. But you will agree that the largest Christian group on the planet isn't what you deem to be correct, and heaven bound. What about those people who are flipping beads, lighting candles, kissing icons. Are they saved in their light? Our tendency to emotion wants them to be as saved as the apostles. Yet, you and I know different.

No, Light Doctrine?

No body believes there is a light doctrine when they get hard pressed to answer the right questions.

We ALL see through a glass darkly. We all need more light. None of us have all the truth. So, in that sense we will be judged having flaws in our belief system relating to some biblical theme. As far as who will ultimately be told to "enter in", the answer is found in Romans 8:9..."If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his".

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I don't understand where people get the idea Romans 2:14-15 is talking about anyone BUT regenerated Gentiles in the church of God???

I never thought those verses were talking about Christians.