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View Poll Results: What are your freelings the son's pre-existence?
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I think the son existed only in the plan of God before the incarnation.
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I don't thing the son existed at all before the incarnation.
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I think that the son existed in some manner with the Father before the incarnation.
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None of these explain my feelings. I will comment below.
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11-08-2011, 06:09 PM
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Covenant Apostolic
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
If the Church was predestined before the foundation of the world, then God planned to come to earth and live among us and redeem us before creation. He planned to offer up the body of Christ so that Jesus could be the first born of many children of God. God is a Spirit; there is only one Spirit, and Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
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11-08-2011, 06:18 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Did someone in fact say that? I would say He existed as God - the Word, but not really as the Father to the Son...
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Would you mind explaining your thought on the bolded. I think I know what you're trying to say but can you elaborate?
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11-08-2011, 06:22 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
In this thread I explain from the Old Testament about how the WORD was with God but at the same time was God. How the WORD was distinct from God and yet was God. Unlike Trinitarianism the Oneness of God is preserved.
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=28949
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11-08-2011, 06:41 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by J4Truth
Would you mind explaining your thought on the bolded. I think I know what you're trying to say but can you elaborate?
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Simply that prior to his birth as a man the Son pre-existed as the Word and God Himself. His birth as a man is what gave functionality to the Father/Son relationship.
So while we might say the Son or the Word was Father of creation or even time - owing to his deity, it should not be said that Jesus is the Father of the Son.
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Last edited by Hoovie; 11-08-2011 at 06:44 PM.
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11-08-2011, 08:45 PM
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The Reformed Charismatic
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Simply that prior to his birth as a man the Son pre-existed as the Word and God Himself. His birth as a man is what gave functionality to the Father/Son relationship.
So while we might say the Son or the Word was Father of creation or even time - owing to his deity, it should not be said that Jesus is the Father of the Son.
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Passages such as Philippians 2 indicate that the Father and Son existed before the incarnation.
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Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. (Phil. 2:5-8 ESV).
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As the verse says, the Son "emptying himself" refers to his laying aside his heavenly glory and coming to earth as a man.
And there are other Scriptures, like the one you mentioned earlier in the thread.
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And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. (John 17:5 ESV)
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I don't see how someone can come to any other conclusion but that both the Father and Son existed as separate "persons" before the Incarnation. I realize that the English word "persons" has some negative connotations, but it's the most precise word we can come up with.
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11-08-2011, 09:24 PM
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Old Fashioned Pentecost
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
none of those are right.
The son existed AS the father. He is the father. Son is only a depiction of the fleshly form. The spirit in the flesh is God & pre-existed all.
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11-08-2011, 09:30 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
The Son existed as the Father?
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11-08-2011, 09:32 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
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The Son existed as the Father?
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The son was the father in flesh. Son was what defined the flesh worn by God as He manifested himself to us
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11-08-2011, 09:36 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
I understand The Son existed in God's mind,but I don't see God manifesting Himself in flesh before the incarnation.
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11-08-2011, 09:37 PM
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Re: The Pre-Existence Of The Son
You need to bite into an Eskimo Pie.
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