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Old 03-07-2007, 11:47 AM
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What does having the Holy Spirit mean?

I have been taught that in order to have the Holy Spirit living inside you, you have to speak in tongues, so if someone hasn’t spoken in tongues, how do they know they have the Holy Spirit?

When someone doesn’t have the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues, what do they mean by the Holy Spirit? What is the Holy Spirit to them?
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:50 AM
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Jesus said to the disciples, "he dwelleth with you, but shall be in you."

Anyone can feel the Spirit, be touched by the Spirit, or receive help from the Spirit.

But Scripturally, no one has the indwelling Presence of the Spirit who has not received the Baptism of the Spirit.

This baptism is known by the initial evidence of tongues.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:58 AM
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Jesus said to the disciples, "he dwelleth with you, but shall be in you."

Anyone can feel the Spirit, be touched by the Spirit, or receive help from the Spirit.

But Scripturally, no one has the indwelling Presence of the Spirit who has not received the Baptism of the Spirit.

This baptism is known by the initial evidence of tongues.
Boy oh boy, this is one topic I have wrestled with for years and only because I have had the wonderful experience of being close to Godly men that I don't think ever spoke in tongues.

I have known people with the tongues experience who were some of the most bitter, combative, caustic, and unbelivably painful to be around. Their fruit of the spirit were a small box of raisins left at the back of the drawer somewhere.

On the other hand my only hero in life, my grandfather, was a Oneness preacher for 40 some years and who to my knowledge never spoke in tongues.

He was a prince of a man and the finest Christian I have ever known. No one loved Jesus and had the true fruits of the spirit in his life like he did. They believed (the church I was in from birth to 15) that you received the Spirit when you were baptized in Jesus Name. When those family members who were in the UPC came to his funeral they couldn't answer the painful question because it was so difficult to reconcile and counterintuitive to what they had come to believe in comparison to the wonderful life my grampa lived.

No way, no way can I put my grampa in the hot place...otherwise the bible to me is only a history book.
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Old 03-07-2007, 12:25 PM
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Thanks for your input.
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Old 03-07-2007, 12:28 PM
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Boy oh boy, this is one topic I have wrestled with for years and only because I have had the wonderful experience of being close to Godly men that I don't think ever spoke in tongues.

I have known people with the tongues experience who were some of the most bitter, combative, caustic, and unbelivably painful to be around. Their fruit of the spirit were a small box of raisins left at the back of the drawer somewhere.

On the other hand my only hero in life, my grandfather, was a Oneness preacher for 40 some years and who to my knowledge never spoke in tongues.

He was a prince of a man and the finest Christian I have ever known. No one loved Jesus and had the true fruits of the spirit in his life like he did. They believed (the church I was in from birth to 15) that you received the Spirit when you were baptized in Jesus Name. When those family members who were in the UPC came to his funeral they couldn't answer the painful question because it was so difficult to reconcile and counterintuitive to what they had come to believe in comparison to the wonderful life my grampa lived.

No way, no way can I put my grampa in the hot place...otherwise the bible to me is only a history book.


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Old 03-07-2007, 01:47 PM
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when you don't know how to pray, pray in tongues its the perfect prayer.

far as heaven, you need the holy spirit for THIS LIFE. in heaven we will not need it, we will be with Him.

its power for now.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:08 PM
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:51 PM
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Boy oh boy, this is one topic I have wrestled with for years and only because I have had the wonderful experience of being close to Godly men that I don't think ever spoke in tongues.

I have known people with the tongues experience who were some of the most bitter, combative, caustic, and unbelivably painful to be around. Their fruit of the spirit were a small box of raisins left at the back of the drawer somewhere.

On the other hand my only hero in life, my grandfather, was a Oneness preacher for 40 some years and who to my knowledge never spoke in tongues.

He was a prince of a man and the finest Christian I have ever known. No one loved Jesus and had the true fruits of the spirit in his life like he did. They believed (the church I was in from birth to 15) that you received the Spirit when you were baptized in Jesus Name. When those family members who were in the UPC came to his funeral they couldn't answer the painful question because it was so difficult to reconcile and counterintuitive to what they had come to believe in comparison to the wonderful life my grampa lived.

No way, no way can I put my grampa in the hot place...otherwise the bible to me is only a history book.
Double Ditto's Carp. The evidence is the fruit of the spirit. The love we manifest.

Ocassionally in the bible, when people came to faith God moved on them, fell on them, filled them. Some spoke in tongues some prophesied.

Were tongues ever an evidence? Yes ! To the Jews who could not believe God could or would save a Samaitan or a Gentile.

Paul concluded his rebuke and instructions on tongues to the Corinthians by saying, " Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not.

The mention of tongues occuring in the bible wer enothing like we "beg" for today.

When the Holy Spirit fell on a gruop of people, he fell on all, all at once.

No one got told, you almost got it, come next week and try again.

Fast/ Repent again/ see if you can make yourself rightoues enough for God to accept you.
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That the Holy Spirit has you. Understanding the evidence of tounges as well.
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Boy oh boy, this is one topic I have wrestled with for years and only because I have had the wonderful experience of being close to Godly men that I don't think ever spoke in tongues.

I have known people with the tongues experience who were some of the most bitter, combative, caustic, and unbelivably painful to be around. Their fruit of the spirit were a small box of raisins left at the back of the drawer somewhere.

On the other hand my only hero in life, my grandfather, was a Oneness preacher for 40 some years and who to my knowledge never spoke in tongues.

He was a prince of a man and the finest Christian I have ever known. No one loved Jesus and had the true fruits of the spirit in his life like he did. They believed (the church I was in from birth to 15) that you received the Spirit when you were baptized in Jesus Name. When those family members who were in the UPC came to his funeral they couldn't answer the painful question because it was so difficult to reconcile and counterintuitive to what they had come to believe in comparison to the wonderful life my grampa lived.

No way, no way can I put my grampa in the hot place...otherwise the bible to me is only a history book.

Carp, what you have posted here is the deal in a nutshell.

The "evidence doctrine" (ED) as an exclusivity of the Spirit of Christ in the believer, would be all well and good.........if it fit reality. However, it doesn't and that is the fly in the ointment.

Those who preach the "ED", like I used to with a passion, must ignore or not be around those who exhibit the fruit of the spirit and have given their lives to Jesus Christ. I have heard every excuse why these people "can't" have the Spirit, but the fruit remains and Jesus stated that the believers would be known by their fruits.

If reality doesn't fit my interpretation of the scripture, then I need to re-examine my interpretation. Just like the "word of faith" teaching that you get what you claim by faith in regards to healing. Sounds good, but it doesn't fit reality. If it did, those churches would be packed and miracles would be happening by the thousands and thousands.

Carp, I have observed the same things you mention here, If people exhibit the all the fruit of the spirit just like those who speak with tongues with the exception of tongues, than how does that happen? Once again, we can't ignore reality.

The "ED" also puts godly people, martyred people, loving people, sacrificial people who have given thier lives unreservedly in hell. Sorry, that doesn't fit with reality in my world and I don't think it does in Jesus' world either.
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