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Old 03-06-2012, 11:07 AM
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Did Paul baptize HIMSELF???????????????????????? It is in the MIDDLE voice look it up. He no more invoked the name than he baptized himself.
Look up the meaning of the words "thou" and "thy" and how they're used in common everyday language. The passage is written for actions Paul was to undertake, not the person doing the baptizing. There is no "middle voice" in the passage, only the personal pronouns 'you' and 'your' which are directly referring to Paul. There's nothing else in the verse.

Act 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'

The "you" in "why do YOU delay isn't speaking of the baptizor, it's speaking of Paul, the "your" in "wash away YOUR sins, calling on the name of the Lord", isn't speaking of the baptizor's sins, it's speaking of Paul.

Try as you may, you're not going to make the scripture support the teaching that the forgiveness of one's sins is dependent on the performance of another man, in addition to Jesus.
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Did Paul baptize HIMSELF???????????????????????? It is in the MIDDLE voice look it up. He no more invoked the name than he baptized himself.
Bro. Epley, Do you believe it would be out of order for both the Administrator and the person baptized to speak words?

I am referring to I Corinthians 1:15 (which clearly shows the Disciples were doing the baptizing) "And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other", and Acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
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Look up the meaning of the words "thou" and "thy" and how they're used in common everyday language. The passage is written for actions Paul was to undertake, not the person doing the baptizing. There is no "middle voice" in the passage, only the personal pronouns 'you' and 'your' which are directly referring to Paul. There's nothing else in the verse.

Act 22:16 'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'

The "you" in "why do YOU delay isn't speaking of the baptizor, it's speaking of Paul, the "your" in "wash away YOUR sins, calling on the name of the Lord", isn't speaking of the baptizor's sins, it's speaking of Paul.

Try as you may, you're not going to make the scripture support the teaching that the forgiveness of one's sins is dependent on the performance of another man, in addition to Jesus.
The middle voice in in the Greek.
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Bro. Epley, Do you believe it would be out of order for both the Administrator and the person baptized to speak words?

I am referring to I Corinthians 1:15 (which clearly shows the Disciples were doing the baptizing) "And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other", and Acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."
I certainly would have no objection.
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The middle voice in in the Greek.
The subject is Paul and him calling on the name of the Lord thus the terms "you" and "your".
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I certainly would have no objection.
Awesome!!!
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Here's a question. Likewise, do you have an issue with someone invoking the Name over someone else in baptism?

I personally could care less as long as the name is invoked.
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Here's a question. Likewise, do you have an issue with someone invoking the Name over someone else in baptism?

I personally could care less as long as the name is invoked.
No, I don't care as long as the name is invoked. I was just thinking that if both participated, speaking a confession of faith and one pronouncing that confession, it would be more personal to the person being baptized. At least it would for me.
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Here's a question. Likewise, do you have an issue with someone invoking the Name over someone else in baptism?

I personally could care less as long as the name is invoked.
Why invoke a name over someone? The person doing the immersion doesn't have any power over the individual being baptized, good or bad, by his words.
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Why invoke a name over someone? The person doing the immersion doesn't have any power over the individual being baptized, good or bad, by his words.
The same reason why you'd invoke the name over a demon possessed person.
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