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Old 10-30-2007, 10:15 AM
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anyone who know anything about this(and I am an outsider) must surely know Res. 4 is not the reason it is the cataylist that pushed it over.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:25 AM
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I would also like to add that I have heard that the UPCI was going to go down in flames all of my life.

And I have heard the rebuttle from preachers who love truth and have given thier lives for this Gospel message, that the UPCI will not go down in flames.

HISTORY says that EVERY organization made by man will come to an ignoble end. This is the way of man.

Much like the rantings of the distruction of America, these rantings have no real value. No preacher has given prophesy that even comes close to the truth on the subject!

Will the UPCI end? I can say with certainty that yes it will one day not be what it currently is. That it will end. Why? because it was formed by men.

those that seek to create a new organization, will build one that will also end. and for the exact same reasons.

that aint prophesy that is understanding history and human nature.

people need to quit wringing thier hands and do their deal and stop pointing at others.
Now here's a good post.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:29 AM
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again, you are grieved. I acknowlege that.

but it is for what you have lost and not over the UPCI.
Good Posts Ferd.

One of the rallying cries of the UPC is "UPON THIS ROCK will I build my CHURCH and the gates of hell shall not prevail against IT!!!"

The problem is when these ministers have full and complete conviction that the scripture really means, "Upon this rock will I build my ORGANIZATION and the gates of hell shall not prevail against IT (the organization)."

You know it and I know it and others know it as well...
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I would also like to add that I have heard that the UPCI was going to go down in flames all of my life.

And I have heard the rebuttle from preachers who love truth and have given thier lives for this Gospel message, that the UPCI will not go down in flames.

HISTORY says that EVERY organization made by man will come to an ignoble end. This is the way of man.

Much like the rantings of the distruction of America, these rantings have no real value. No preacher has given prophesy that even comes close to the truth on the subject!

Will the UPCI end? I can say with certainty that yes it will one day not be what it currently is. That it will end. Why? because it was formed by men.

those that seek to create a new organization, will build one that will also end. and for the exact same reasons.

that aint prophesy that is understanding history and human nature.

people need to quit wringing thier hands and do their deal and stop pointing at others.
Not sure it will ever "end" per se. I hope not. I think it's still the most viable option at this point anyhow.

There are many denominations today that in spite of their struggles and "past glory" are still strong and ongoing.
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I know this debate isn't about the personal convictions of Bro. Haney, but I just spoke to a man who came up with Brother Haney and he said in very endearing terms..."The Bishop isn't as conservative as you think he is, in fact I know for certain he doesn't believe that WE are the only ones who are going to heaven..."

I asked him who is WE, and he said, "Ya know who I am talking about..."
Your a little late to the party, we bantered this around last a few weeks ago, but thanks for sharing
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The UPCI is part of the Church and has its part to play in the overall scope of what God is doing in the world and His plan for the world as far as salvation of souls go. Whatever part the UPCI is playing in all of this will continue in regard to the overall picture of what God's plan, will and purpose is.

Of that I have no doubt.

After all, HE is still the One who's in control.
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I know this debate isn't about the personal convictions of Bro. Haney, but I just spoke to a man who came up with Brother Haney and he said in very endearing terms..."The Bishop isn't as conservative as you think he is, in fact I know for certain he doesn't believe that WE are the only ones who are going to heaven..."

I asked him who is WE, and he said, "Ya know who I am talking about..."
He meant AMF, PAW, and ALJC!!!!
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:35 AM
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Yeah Fern.

Brother Epley is right.

Res 4 was the Waterloo of the radical right fringe.

The battle had been hot for a long time before that, however.
Waterloo, More like the "Little Bighorn"
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